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Scoop 04-08-2012 01:24 PM


Originally Posted by CRJAV8OR (Post 1155904)


I have no idea what you are talking about on the safety front. SWA has an industry leading fatigue policy (excused from the flight with pay and no carpet dance guaranteed) and utilizes all other common safety practices standard at other carriers, ASAP-FDAP etc. The SWA safety record is exemplary, feel free to look up the statistical data at your leisure.


Well maybe they do have an "industry Leading fatigue Policy" but how they exercise that policy is just as important as having that policy.

Case in point, SWA publicly does very well as a supporter of the Guard and Reserves, and apparently has some good policies here, but my buddies complain about resistance they have faced trying to take military leave over the years.


Scoop

Rolf 04-09-2012 08:40 AM

I haven't heard about anyone getting hasled over fatigue calls. The mil leave was problematic, but USERRA helped clarify the rules. It's been a few years since that was an issue. Can we go back to talking about how lucky the FL pilots were?:D

WHACKMASTER 04-09-2012 09:28 AM


Originally Posted by Rolf (Post 1166455)
I haven't heard about anyone getting hasled over fatigue calls. The mil leave was problematic, but USERRA helped clarify the rules. It's been a few years since that was an issue. Can we go back to talking about how lucky the FL pilots were?:D

Keep poking the pitbull, Rolf.

tr4a 04-09-2012 11:49 AM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1166083)
Well maybe they do have an "industry Leading fatigue Policy" but how they exercise that policy is just as important as having that policy.

Case in point, SWA publicly does very well as a supporter of the Guard and Reserves, and apparently has some good policies here, but my buddies complain about resistance they have faced trying to take military leave over the years.

Here is the CBA language:

Fatigue
Notwithstanding the chart in 5.D.2.e., a pilot may declare himself fatigued at any time in the interest of safety. The Company will immediately pull the pilot from the pairing with no questions asked. The pilot will be left in a paid status and will not be required to contact his Chief Pilot. Declaring fatigue will not result in any disciplinary action. The Company will work with the pilot to get him back on his pairing as quickly and efficiently as possible after the pilot is sufficiently rested.

JDFlyer 04-09-2012 11:55 AM

Ha! Try toothless chihuahua. :rolleyes:

WHACKMASTER 05-14-2012 07:04 AM


Originally Posted by JDFlyer (Post 1166560)
Ha! Try toothless chihuahua. :rolleyes:

I guess we'll see, huh? :cool:

gold 06-10-2012 08:36 PM

How many -800s has WN taken delivery of thus far? I heard somewhere in the ballpark of 10-13, is that correct?

tsquare 06-11-2012 06:11 AM


Originally Posted by tr4a (Post 1166557)
Here is the CBA language:

Fatigue
Notwithstanding the chart in 5.D.2.e., a pilot may declare himself fatigued at any time in the interest of safety. The Company will immediately pull the pilot from the pairing with no questions asked. The pilot will be left in a paid status and will not be required to contact his Chief Pilot. Declaring fatigue will not result in any disciplinary action. The Company will work with the pilot to get him back on his pairing as quickly and efficiently as possible after the pilot is sufficiently rested.

You really had to write that in your contract?? Maybe it is just me, but that is something I never worry about. If I am truly fatigued, I will call in as such (which I have only done once in my career).. and never worry about any repercussions. Safety.. a great word to use with management.

Rolf 06-11-2012 07:32 AM

Hey T,
Good to see you alive and well. How is Delta Airlines' policy spelled out? This may surprise you but safety is the trump card here as well.


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