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TheManager 11-17-2013 05:39 PM


Originally Posted by shoelu (Post 1522001)
The DOJ disagrees. In fact they mention SWA by name.

"The Reagan National and LaGuardia slots will be sold under procedures approved by the department. Under the terms of the settlement, JetBlue at Reagan National and Southwest at LaGuardia will be given the opportunity to acquire the slots they currently lease from Amercan. The remaining 88 slots at Reagan National and 24 slots at LaGuardia plus any JetBlue or Southwest decline to acquire will be grouped into bundles, taking into account specific slot times to ensure commercially viable and competitive patterns of service for the recipients of the divested slots. The parties will divest these slot bundles and all rights and interests in any gates and other ground facilities (e.g., ticket counters, baggage handling facilities, office space and loading bridges) as necessary to support the use of the purchased slots."

USDOJ: Justice Department Requires US Airways and American Airlines to Divest Facilities at Seven Key Airports to Enhance System-wide Competition and Settle Merger Challenge

Acquiring gates you currently lease is far different from trying to pretend that SWA is still an LCC and "getting in line with the rest of the rest of the budget carriers ."

SWA's growth was remarkable during the day. Now, the only growing is the the rapidly closing gap towards being another legacy.

As such, SWA will have to change. The revenue from premium seating, baggage fees, change fees, etc., etc. will have to be captured or they won't be able to book the profit to help them remain competitive.

Watched a lot of NFL. Actually watching SNF now. Haven't seen one baggage cop on a belt loader ad yet today. Give it to less than a year til y'all start taking those fees.

Then the campaign to convince the public that SWA is a good old low cost aw schucks airline will over.

Flys135s 11-17-2013 06:29 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1522157)
Uh, we have government agencies and legislation to ensure fair competition. It not only should be fair, it MUST be fair. We'd have nothing but monopolies if fair competition wasn't the cornerstone of our capitalistic system.

Carl

So would you call the Wright Amendment a piece of government legislation that ensured fair competition?

Carl Spackler 11-17-2013 06:52 PM


Originally Posted by Flys135s (Post 1522220)
So would you call the Wright Amendment a piece of government legislation that ensured fair competition?

Yes. Including the fact that it had a termination date.

Carl

corp4wn 11-17-2013 07:02 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1522235)
Yes. Including the fact that it had a termination date.

Carl

Oh Carl.....knower of all things.... why is there a "termination date"?

[Would love to live in you reality]

Carl Spackler 11-17-2013 07:20 PM


Originally Posted by corp4wn (Post 1522244)
Oh Carl.....knower of all things.... why is there a "termination date"?

Because allowing SWA the monopoly at Love field forever would be unfair competition. When the Wright Amendment ends next year, it will have allowed SWA over 30 years of monopolistic advantage while it grew into a competitive entity. Fairness dictates a termination date at some point. The Wright Amendment did that.

Carl

Flys135s 11-17-2013 07:30 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1522235)
Yes. Including the fact that it had a termination date.

Carl

I always looked at the Wright amendment as a barrier to market entry specifically targeted at an upstart airline that threatened the profits of the legacy carriers. It was intended to restrict competition, not level the playing field. I find it ironic that those same carriers who sponsored that legislation are now concerned with doing what is"fair"

There was nothing fair about the Wright amendment, it was just about making the "wright" campaign donation.

Carl Spackler 11-17-2013 07:36 PM


Originally Posted by Flys135s (Post 1522267)
I always looked at the Wright amendment as a barrier to market entry specifically targeted at an upstart airline that threatened the profits of the legacy carriers. It was intended to restrict competition, not level the playing field. I find it ironic that those same carriers who sponsored that legislation are now concerned with doing what is"fair"

There was nothing fair about the Wright amendment, it was just about making the "wright" campaign donation.

I posted something earlier about the history on this. I don't know how you could have always looked at it this way...unless you ignore what started the process in the first place.

Carl

Flys135s 11-17-2013 07:57 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1522259)
Because allowing SWA the monopoly at Love field forever would be unfair competition. When the Wright Amendment ends next year, it will have allowed SWA over 30 years of monopolistic advantage while it grew into a competitive entity. Fairness dictates a termination date at some point. The Wright Amendment did that.

Carl

Carl[/QUOTE]

The Wright Amendment didn't guarantee Southwest a monopoly at DAL. It restricted their market access out of DAL.

If it was such a good deal for Southwest why would they be opposed to it and American in favor of it?

If the termination date was inserted to end Southwest's "advantage" why would Southwest spend so much money and campaign so hard to repeal it?

Carl Spackler 11-17-2013 08:18 PM


Originally Posted by Flys135s (Post 1522293)
The Wright Amendment didn't guarantee Southwest a monopoly at DAL. It restricted their market access out of DAL.

It did both. The restricted access at Love and Meacham was the reason airlines were forced to sign the agreement to move out to DFW. The assumption by all parties was that only short duration commuter flights would ever operate at Love again. Then SWA was created and took advantage of the nearly empty Love field. The other airlines were angry and the various governments were too. They wanted SWA to move to DFW like everyone else. SWA sued under the opinion they couldn't be made to move to DFW because they weren't signators to the original agreement to move. SWA won that suit and were allowed to grow without competition. That's what created the SWA monopoly at Love.


Originally Posted by Flys135s (Post 1522293)
If it was such a good deal for Southwest why would they be opposed to it and American in favor of it?

Because Southwest is large enough and healthy enough to no longer need monopoly status to survive. Now that they're large enough, they no longer want the very law that protected them because they now don't want the temporary restrictions that were included.


Originally Posted by Flys135s (Post 1522293)
If the termination date was inserted to end Southwest's "advantage" why would Southwest spend so much money and campaign so hard to repeal it?

See above.

Carl

Flys135s 11-17-2013 08:49 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1522305)
It did both. The restricted access at Love and Meacham was the reason airlines were forced to sign the agreement to move out to DFW. The assumption by all parties was that only short duration commuter flights would ever operate at Love again. Then SWA was created and took advantage of the nearly empty Love field. The other airlines were angry and the various governments were too. They wanted SWA to move to DFW like everyone else. SWA sued under the opinion they couldn't be made to move to DFW because they weren't signators to the original agreement to move. SWA won that suit and were allowed to grow without competition. That's what created the SWA monopoly at Love.



Because Southwest is large enough and healthy enough to no longer need monopoly status to survive. Now that they're large enough, they no longer want the very law that protected them because they now don't want the temporary restrictions that were included.



See above.

Carl

Staying in DAL was a smart move by Southwest that fit their business model. Nothing unfair about it, as the courts agreed. No guaranteed monopoly, just good business. But, to say they had no competition is a stretch. Consumers always had the opportunity to fly the legacy carriers out of DFW. Southwest just had a better product at a better price. The legacy carriers knew this and attempted to hamstring Southwest with the Wright Amendment - not fair, but arguably good business.

They are big enough now, but they fought the amendment from the start. It impeded their market access, so to say it favored some how them isn't quite accurate. If it did benefit Southwest, American would not have been the ones pushing for it.


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