Why did TA1 fail? How can TA2 pass?
 

These two questions are closely related so I will give my opinions to both. Why it failed followed by the remedy in --- --- I posted this at swapilotforum.com also.

1) Ratification bonus was too low. The side letters added $2bn in revenue over 2 years in my understanding yet we were offered $125m as a bonus. ---Bonus needs to be doubled---

2) No appreciable increase in 401(k) contribution (match). Our peers get a 15-16% contribution but we are stuck with a 10% match. ---As a compromise institute a 150% match to a max company match of 15% with no cap---

3) Redeye override went from 15% to 3%. ---Leave it at 15%---

4) 4% DOS snap up. ---Needs to be 8%---

5) "The Association" can waive rule allowing only single DH after redeye. ---Either define "The Association" or remove that language---

6) Can only ELITT redeye flying for redeye flying. --Remove--

7) Giving away Max flying for free. ---No way. It needs an override or separate pay scale. This is potentially a 200 seat airplane. Is it not? I don't want to fly a 757 for 737 pay---

8) "The Association" can waive codeshare protections (PDEW). ---Either define "The Association" or remove that language---

9) MOU= back door PBS. ---I don't want a single swapa dollar going towards this study---

10) Fatigue calls require a fatigue report before you get paid. Really? We are adults here. ---Remove---

11) No appreciable improvements to reserve. ---Reserve needs to be more palatable. Pay per day, trip ownership etc.---

No, this is a 175 seat aircraft just as the -800 is (max certified capacity is 189). The MAX8 can only hold over 189 if it's configured as-such (MAX200) which is a MAX8 with an auxiliary exit behind the wings on both sides, something WN hasn't ordered. This would also change the internal galley config (which was designed around 175 and is currently being built) and change the seat pitch which is a hard 31"-32" .

The MAX8 with an active auxiliary exit (and 5th FA) can accommodate 200, and the MAX9 with an active auxiliary exit can accommodate 215 (again, with a 5th FA).

For 2)
How about a defined sum (not percentage) and then the 1/1 match to hit the maximum annual contribution?
$17k per pilot costs ~ $137 million, then up to $18k of match for the <50 crowd and up to $21k of match for the >50 crowd...

While outside the scope of TA2, the board of directors should consider taking ESPP to the 423(b) limit of 85 percent from the current 90 percent. A show of appreciation for all the hired help "thinking like owners."

2 cents

Thanks for the clarification. I wasn't sure which configuration they plan to order. The MAX9 is not in the reopener section. Still the -800 and MAX8 are significantly larger than the -700 so some additional compensation would be in order. The turn times alone with these airframes warrant it.

This would be ideal, especially for the early years when it's hard to get to the ERISA limits of the 401(k).

The MAX900 is in the re-opener language currently.

M. RE-OPENER
In the event that the Company, during the duration of this Agreement, should: (1) acquire for its use any type of aircraft other than the B717, B737-300, B737-500, B737-700, and the B737-800

I don't see the MAX900 in there. I understand this language to mean that if they acquire any aircraft other than those specified below the contract must be re-opened to negotiate a pay rate. I also take this to mean that if we do not have a new contract when the MAX700s and/or MAX800s arrive on property that we will in fact be legal to fly them. The company must open this section to negotiate rates but that's it. As we've seen this could take years.

M. RE-OPENER
In the event that the Company, during the duration of this Agreement, should:
1. (1) Aacquire for its use any type of aircraft other than the B717, B737-300, B737-500, B737-700, B737 -700 MAX, and the B737-800, and the B737-800 MAX ;

This agreement will be reopened for the sole purpose of negotiating wages, rates of pay, relocation expenses, bidding, and hours or conditions of employment particularly applicable to the specific situation. If the FAA, or the Company, or other competent authority restricts any ... this paragraph shall apply.

No mention of Subsets? Probably the biggest pay and QOL hit in the entire TA1.

Agreed. Just add it to the list.

Get rid of the PBS MOU.
Get rid of any and all references to off shore domiciles.
We get an equity stake in any and all codeshare.
No FA me too clauses.