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Old 04-03-2016, 02:28 PM
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This topic came up in another airline's thread so I thought I'd post it here as well.

Data is from myseniority.com. Using a December 2015 hire reveals upgrade (achieving 50% on master seniority list) times as follows:

0% growth: March 2031= 15 years
1% growth: July 2029 = 13 years
2% growth: March 2028= 12 years
3% growth: Feb 2027 = 11 years
4% growth: Feb 2026 = 10 years
5% growth: Feb 2025 = 9 years

Using a 5 year FO (hired March 2011):

0% growth: Nov 2028= 17 years
1% growth: Aug 2027 = 16 years
2% growth: June 2026= 15 years
3% growth: April 2025 = 14 years
4% growth: April 2024 = 13 years
5% growth: June 2023 = 12 years
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Originally Posted by Sr. Barco View Post
This topic came up in another airline's thread so I thought I'd post it here as well.

Data is from myseniority.com. Using a December 2015 hire reveals upgrade (achieving 50% on master seniority list) times as follows:

0% growth: March 2031= 15 years
1% growth: July 2029 = 13 years
2% growth: March 2028= 12 years
3% growth: Feb 2027 = 11 years
4% growth: Feb 2026 = 10 years
5% growth: Feb 2025 = 9 years

Using a 5 year FO (hired March 2011):

0% growth: Nov 2028= 17 years
1% growth: Aug 2027 = 16 years
2% growth: June 2026= 15 years
3% growth: April 2025 = 14 years
4% growth: April 2024 = 13 years
5% growth: June 2023 = 12 years

Here is the same data using a 57% system wide seniority which is consistently where the junior captain has been at due to F/Os bypassing upgrade. So, if you wanted to upgrade at the earliest opportunity here are your numbers.

0% growth: March 2031= 13.5 years
1% growth: July 2029 = 12.1 years
2% growth: March 2028= 10.7 years
3% growth: Feb 2027 = 9.6 years
4% growth: Feb 2026 = 8.6 years
5% growth: Feb 2025 = 8 years

Using a 5 year FO (hired March 2011):

0% growth: Nov 2028= 16 years
1% growth: Aug 2027 = 14.8 years
2% growth: June 2026= 13.5 years
3% growth: April 2025 = 12.3 years
4% growth: April 2024 = 11.7 years
5% growth: June 2023 = 10.7 years[/QUOTE]

Bottom line: upgrades at Southwest are very long for any new hires currently as well as anyone hired in the last 7 years. Even with stellar growth of 3% per year you are still looking at a 10 year upgrade. If you are lucky enough to get hired by SWA and any of the legacies take a close look at retirement numbers and upgrade time. Lots of difference in QOL and money with a seniority list that is moving rapidly due to massive retirement numbers.
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Good info there, thank you for the insight.
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Anybody applying to this airline for the upgrade time hasn't been paying attention.
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Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan View Post
Anybody applying to this airline for the upgrade time hasn't been paying attention.
Have over 20 bros there right now, was aware of the anecdotal references to upgrade times. Not a concern for me at this point in my life and career, just nice to see the numbers.

My interest is SWA is not driven by upgrade, but other factors.
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Originally Posted by Thunder1 View Post
Here is the same data using a 57% system wide seniority which is consistently where the junior captain has been at due to F/Os bypassing upgrade. So, if you wanted to upgrade at the earliest opportunity here are your numbers.

0% growth: March 2031= 13.5 years
1% growth: July 2029 = 12.1 years
2% growth: March 2028= 10.7 years
3% growth: Feb 2027 = 9.6 years
4% growth: Feb 2026 = 8.6 years
5% growth: Feb 2025 = 8 years

Using a 5 year FO (hired March 2011):

0% growth: Nov 2028= 16 years
1% growth: Aug 2027 = 14.8 years
2% growth: June 2026= 13.5 years
3% growth: April 2025 = 12.3 years
4% growth: April 2024 = 11.7 years
5% growth: June 2023 = 10.7 years


Sorry, but I just copied and pasted the previous data and I DID update the # of years info which IS correct. However, I did not change the dates. So, disregard the dates --- the actual upgrade time is correct though.

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