BIGGER airframe?
 

Okay, enough smack talk about this new AIP. Let's talk about our pilot egos. What are y'all hearing about a bigger airplane showing up on property?

I'll start....company talking to Boeing about reviving the 757 line because we don't necessarily need widebody capacity but we do need the performance. Think MDW & mountainous S. 'Merica. It would be reengined (seriously) but the roll up/built-in window shades, AUTO feature on the START SWXes would be deleted (only partly kidding).

Also, 767s as they are still in production (FedEx, AF (don't get excited SWAPA kernels, & UPS(s) and are significantly cheaper than 787s.


Also, we're buying Hawaiian for the Asia/ETOPS/wide-bodies and stapling the bastards and stealing their A330 & B767 Cptn seats. Given my background (see note south of avatar to the west of here) you can probably imagine how much I'd be in support of this (not at all).

So what is the latest rumor out online?

Lowering tpic to 500hrs. Lol sorry I had to.

Lmfao. Brilliant!! Perfect timing :D

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I have not been on the forum for years and what do I c but Whack mixing it up!!! We should buy Air Canada so we can get that Sweet Rouge call sign and Klaus back on property!!

I don't see GK risking putting a new airframe on property. He is way to timid to try something radical like that. Once the codeshares has given him a chance to look at traffic, maybe. Whack, you are doomed to live out your days in the guppy, cursing its inability to descend on speed.

Pay me enough and give me enough days off and I'll find a way to suck it up. At least the -500s fly their last scheduled flight this Monday. Another milestone in euthanizing the Classics.

At least there's some good language if they do add a larger airframe.

All 737 aircraft that do not require a new type rating are allowed, subject to the following restrictions:

ANY aircraft (including the MAX) that is acquired or configured in excess of 175 seats constitutes a reopener or
Any aircraft that requires a new type rating requires a reopener
Clarified “Company shall not place such aircraft in revenue service until such rates are negotiated.”

Bigger pay rates
 

The Max is on its way......where's the pay rates for that?

Why not publish those now and get it resolved?

The pay rates in the AIP are the Max pay rates. We won't negotiate any new rates unless new aircraft beyond the 737 appear or a 737 with more than 175 seats appears.

Thanks, i assumed the Max was >175 seats

Won't see a bigger airframe anytime soon since the contract would have to be opened again. Maybe in the form of a merger.

Very happy they got the 175 number in there. From a manning perspective (FAs), 175 is terribly inefficient. The company will most likely drool over the MAX 200 when it comes out, so maybe that's our 2020 leverage.

FWIW - the new training/Fly Center is going to have 24 simulator bays. 18 will be filled with 73 NG/Max sims with the remaining six to filled with an as yet to be determined second airframe. Speculation last March was 76/78 airframes to go to Hawaii, deep South Am and possible Europe. Max has the range to do it, but would leave $Millions in cargo rev on the ramp. Makes sense from the perspective, but that was rumor from the guy in the in the third ****ter on the left at the training center.

Exactly...
The company loves to start and spread rumors like this. The training center staff told our class about the "secret" 787 orders and bigger airframes the day we showed up.
After you fly the line a little bit and see how the company treats going to Mexico like going to the moon, I cannot even imagine the drama involved with getting a second airframe. The training center would literally lose their $hit and the legions of F-15 guys working in the brick building would start a syllabus from scratch and figure out how to fly it just like a 737. (No offense to F-15 guys, many of whom are my friends, but that is how things work around here)
It ain't gonna happen, at least not organically.

Exactly. My bet is Hawaiian if any at all.

While we're betting I say Copa

All this "international domicile" verbiage on the AIP does leave one's head scratching doesn't it?

Yes, here we are wondering whether the next one is FLL or LAX. Maybe we are in for a surprise

Boeing is already talking about a decision on the MAX 10 by year end.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...ssible-426628/

Taller gear, bigger motors - same cramped cockpit. Short of a merger, this the only 'big airplane' on the horizon.

The Mad MAX.

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z...pspv3sexao.jpg

I'm not sure what the fly represents, but I like it.

In that big Economy Plus section, it'd be nice if a US carrier made it 5-abreast instead of just more legroom. That's a much needed niche market a lot of airlines could stand to add.

I'm sure we'll make it all economy and one loading zone.
Is there a way to lobby Boeing to make the cockpit bigger and new seats? Seriously a 4200nm range in that cockpit is fatiguing.

Hell, even the thought of 8+ hours in that cockpit is fatiguing. Mark my words.....in 50 years we'll have manned missions to Mars and Boeing will have a 737 that they'll be trying to market for that mission. Unreal....

Well, there's your B757 replacement. 4,200 NM is about the same range as the 757-200, with about the same seating capacity, and if the big engines are any indication, comparable performance. Greeeeaaaaat :rolleyes:

That's where I aim when I take a whizz!:eek:

It's also what I think of boeing making a bigger POS than the -900:cool:

Me too :)

It's the artist's "signature"......

Where do they plan on putting the lie flat seats or bunks for crew quarters for the augmented crews? I wish Boeing would just let the 73 die.

8 hrs or less does not require an augmented crew and the routes SWA would deploy this on would be less than 8 hours block.

Thankfully we'll have our snack packs for those 8hr legs.

How about a Twitter campaign for Boeing. #757cockpit4theMax10

Unfortunately, neither the airlines nor Boeing could give a flying ()$& about our comfort. Why would they? Pilot comfort has zero effect on their bottom line. Translation: We get the cockpit we're given and deal with it, at least at SWA where there's only one equipment choice.

Boeing and Airbus both considered it on other types...

Pilot comfort?! It's obvious that Airbus has but I don't think Boeing gives a rat's ass and no airline cares about our comfort. We're already a bunch of overpaid prima donnas to them.

"Pilots do not buy airliners--accountants do"

This is truer now more than ever. :(

Precisely and a great example of this is the 757-200 & 737-900. Pilots love the former and hate the latter, but accountants love the latter. Look which one is being bought by the airlines.

There's no doubt the 757 is a more capable airframe, but your point falls apart when you try and substantiate it by which one is being bought.

757 production ended in October of 2004.

Lol, well they generally don't end production of planes that are selling well...

Precisely. If the B757 was such a "great" airplane to airline execs then the orders would have kept flowing in and production wouldn't have ended. It WAS a great airplane and I've got time in it, but then again I didn't have to pay the MX and fuel bills for it.