1st year pay/new TA
01-19-2017, 07:46 AM
#41
Furloughed Again?!
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: Boeing 737
Posts: 4,795
Originally Posted by barabek
Can someone please explain the difference between trip pay versus hourly pay. I understand the pay rates here at APC are converted from $/trip to $/hour. What does this mean? Are you guys not paid by the hour? I'm sorry if this is explained somewhere on this forum, I just can't find it. Is the pay scale on APC the most current rate? Thanks for answering!
Here is how the formula is derived...
But don't hurt your brain trying to figure it out. It's just a different metric. Substitute "per trip" instead of "per hour" to figure your pay.
If you really want to see a conversion, here you go.
01-19-2017, 08:12 AM
#42
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2010
Posts: 353
Originally Posted by tacamoflyer
TFP hearkens from the Herb days when they were bouncing around Texas in the 200. It is a calculation that was formerly based on the distance it takes to go from Dallas to Houston being one TFP. As our stage length got longer and operation more complex, this morphed into a time/distance equation that few understand completely. The common conversion that is accepted by the union is that 1 credit hour = 1.149 TFP.
This is always to the southwest pilots advantage, as long stage lengths pay always better using the TFP calculation. Short flights can as well, although not as much.
This is always to the southwest pilots advantage, as long stage lengths pay always better using the TFP calculation. Short flights can as well, although not as much.
01-19-2017, 09:03 AM
#44
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2013
Posts: 3,434
Originally Posted by Gilligan13
I was basing it on getting paid to sit home. Sounds like at the right base that's possible. Is reserve guarantee 79 hours a month?
Reserve guarantee is a misnomer. You will get 6tfp times the number of reserve days you sit at a minimum. It is now paid on a daily guarantee. There is a monthly line guarantee, but 11 months of the year it isn't a player.
You get 15 days off so you can do the math. In February, you will get a plus up to line guarantee of 85. Every other month you will generally get 90 or 96 tfp.
Despite what others here have indicated, my experience with 1.5 yrs of reserve is that you fly almost every day. I would sit maybe one day a month. Maybe.
The guys who can really work the reserve system live close to the lounge and pick up single reserve days from commuters. Now that we are paid per day, this practice has all but stopped.
I don't mean to sound negative, but if you look at reserve here, it goes extremely junior. There is a reason for that. Lineholders have tons more flexibility and control over their lives. Southwest is all about efficiency. Having a reserve sit at home is highly inefficient.
01-19-2017, 03:18 PM
#49
Line Holder
Joined APC: May 2013
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 60
Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
If you want the dog to remember who you are, and the wife to think twice about dating the UPS guy, shoot for 90-110 TFP per month. ��
01-19-2017, 03:27 PM
#50
Furloughed Again?!
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: Boeing 737
Posts: 4,795
Originally Posted by MarineFAC
Guess that means my wife is dating the UPS guy.
Think positive. Could also be the Amazon delivery driver, or the gas meter reader, or the mailman, or the cable guy, or the dog walker, or the pool cleaner. See? Now UPS guy doesn't sound so bad! I hear those guys make some good coin.
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