Contract Negotiations room
04-14-2017, 07:46 AM
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Contract Negotiations room
Originally Posted by iFlyHi
If this place is TRULY as scumbag as you all make it out to be.... don't you think management rather than signing a deal would pull out every trick in the book to project blame on the pilots for "not flying" and use that against us rather than signing a contract?
Wouldn't help them. Planes still wouldn't move. They can't make you work beyond your schedule.
Unity is our strength and not just the kind where we are nice to each other I mean the kind where we act as a single body in unison. We wield a blank load of power if we could just move together
Cue painramrods cute mommas basement retort
04-14-2017, 12:41 PM
#745
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I am now starting to get some flashbacks from my previous airline negotiations under the mediator. So here is what is going to happen:
Negotiation will continue to progress in this same exact pace, if not slower. Every once in a while you will get an update from the union that will states something along the lines of "a progress was made and if the company continues with that same attitude we should have the contract we deserve in the near future..." but that is just to give you hope, some motivation, something to think that yes, the company finally get it! No, they don't.
Then, you will hear something like they got to give us a new contract before the summer, then it will turn into got to give us a contract before the holiday season, and then it will be sometime this year. I guarantee you that one of Spirit’s management goals for 2018 in the presentation will be to “reach an agreement with our pilots” but that’s all it will be, just a bullet point, nothing behind it. This same bullet point will be on the presentation for 2019, 2020, 2021, and may I use, etc.
So what will happen then? Well, there will be a strike vote, not sure when but there will be. Results will be somewhere between 99%-99.9% and then everybody will be happy cause here look, we are about to strike. No, we so far away from striking that I don’t even want to spend the time thinking about it. A strike vote is just what it is….a vote. It will give the company zero motivation to give us a new contract nor the mediator care about our strike vote, I’ll say it again, the mediator does not give a flying F about a strike vote (because we are not the one in control in this situation, keep that in mind).
Then what? After few years of exchanging back and forth of two complete opposite proposals, the mediator will finally force the union to send the company’s proposal for a vote (officially or unofficially it will come to a vote somehow). Several years from now, Spirit will have a different pilot group, not that different but different enough to vote that contract in.
I am in full support of the NC committee and I’m sure they are doing their best but from my own experience, their hands are tight and their resources are limited. Your best bet is to fill out that app and move on. You’re just wasting your time and energy.
Negotiation will continue to progress in this same exact pace, if not slower. Every once in a while you will get an update from the union that will states something along the lines of "a progress was made and if the company continues with that same attitude we should have the contract we deserve in the near future..." but that is just to give you hope, some motivation, something to think that yes, the company finally get it! No, they don't.
Then, you will hear something like they got to give us a new contract before the summer, then it will turn into got to give us a contract before the holiday season, and then it will be sometime this year. I guarantee you that one of Spirit’s management goals for 2018 in the presentation will be to “reach an agreement with our pilots” but that’s all it will be, just a bullet point, nothing behind it. This same bullet point will be on the presentation for 2019, 2020, 2021, and may I use, etc.
So what will happen then? Well, there will be a strike vote, not sure when but there will be. Results will be somewhere between 99%-99.9% and then everybody will be happy cause here look, we are about to strike. No, we so far away from striking that I don’t even want to spend the time thinking about it. A strike vote is just what it is….a vote. It will give the company zero motivation to give us a new contract nor the mediator care about our strike vote, I’ll say it again, the mediator does not give a flying F about a strike vote (because we are not the one in control in this situation, keep that in mind).
Then what? After few years of exchanging back and forth of two complete opposite proposals, the mediator will finally force the union to send the company’s proposal for a vote (officially or unofficially it will come to a vote somehow). Several years from now, Spirit will have a different pilot group, not that different but different enough to vote that contract in.
I am in full support of the NC committee and I’m sure they are doing their best but from my own experience, their hands are tight and their resources are limited. Your best bet is to fill out that app and move on. You’re just wasting your time and energy.
04-14-2017, 12:50 PM
#746
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Originally Posted by FlyP
I am now starting to get some flashbacks from my previous airline negotiations under the mediator. So here is what is going to happen:
Negotiation will continue to progress in this same exact pace, if not slower. Every once in a while you will get an update from the union that will states something along the lines of "a progress was made and if the company continues with that same attitude we should have the contract we deserve in the near future..." but that is just to give you hope, some motivation, something to think that yes, the company finally get it! No, they don't.
Then, you will hear something like they got to give us a new contract before the summer, then it will turn into got to give us a contract before the holiday season, and then it will be sometime this year. I guarantee you that one of Spirit’s management goals for 2018 in the presentation will be to “reach an agreement with our pilots” but that’s all it will be, just a bullet point, nothing behind it. This same bullet point will be on the presentation for 2019, 2020, 2021, and may I use, etc.
So what will happen then? Well, there will be a strike vote, not sure when but there will be. Results will be somewhere between 99%-99.9% and then everybody will be happy cause here look, we are about to strike. No, we so far away from striking that I don’t even want to spend the time thinking about it. A strike vote is just what it is….a vote. It will give the company zero motivation to give us a new contract nor the mediator care about our strike vote, I’ll say it again, the mediator does not give a flying F about a strike vote (because we are not the one in control in this situation, keep that in mind).
Then what? After few years of exchanging back and forth of two complete opposite proposal, the mediator will finally force the union to send the company’s proposal for a vote (officially or unofficially it will come to a vote somehow). Several years from now, Spirit will have a different pilot group, not that different but different enough to vote that contract in.
I am in full support of the NC committee and I’m sure they are doing their best but from my own experience, their hands are tight and their resources are limited. Your best bet is to fill out that app and move on. You’re just wasting your time and energy.
Negotiation will continue to progress in this same exact pace, if not slower. Every once in a while you will get an update from the union that will states something along the lines of "a progress was made and if the company continues with that same attitude we should have the contract we deserve in the near future..." but that is just to give you hope, some motivation, something to think that yes, the company finally get it! No, they don't.
Then, you will hear something like they got to give us a new contract before the summer, then it will turn into got to give us a contract before the holiday season, and then it will be sometime this year. I guarantee you that one of Spirit’s management goals for 2018 in the presentation will be to “reach an agreement with our pilots” but that’s all it will be, just a bullet point, nothing behind it. This same bullet point will be on the presentation for 2019, 2020, 2021, and may I use, etc.
So what will happen then? Well, there will be a strike vote, not sure when but there will be. Results will be somewhere between 99%-99.9% and then everybody will be happy cause here look, we are about to strike. No, we so far away from striking that I don’t even want to spend the time thinking about it. A strike vote is just what it is….a vote. It will give the company zero motivation to give us a new contract nor the mediator care about our strike vote, I’ll say it again, the mediator does not give a flying F about a strike vote (because we are not the one in control in this situation, keep that in mind).
Then what? After few years of exchanging back and forth of two complete opposite proposal, the mediator will finally force the union to send the company’s proposal for a vote (officially or unofficially it will come to a vote somehow). Several years from now, Spirit will have a different pilot group, not that different but different enough to vote that contract in.
I am in full support of the NC committee and I’m sure they are doing their best but from my own experience, their hands are tight and their resources are limited. Your best bet is to fill out that app and move on. You’re just wasting your time and energy.
Stop calling for paper work
Fly your line
And anything else you can think of.
What a bunch of PUSSIES some of you are.
04-14-2017, 12:55 PM
#747
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Joined APC: Jun 2010
Posts: 1,577
Originally Posted by FlyP
I am now starting to get some flashbacks from my previous airline negotiations under the mediator. So here is what is going to happen:
Negotiation will continue to progress in this same exact pace, if not slower. Every once in a while you will get an update from the union that will states something along the lines of "a progress was made and if the company continues with that same attitude we should have the contract we deserve in the near future..." but that is just to give you hope, some motivation, something to think that yes, the company finally get it! No, they don't.
Then, you will hear something like they got to give us a new contract before the summer, then it will turn into got to give us a contract before the holiday season, and then it will be sometime this year. I guarantee you that one of Spirit’s management goals for 2018 in the presentation will be to “reach an agreement with our pilots” but that’s all it will be, just a bullet point, nothing behind it. This same bullet point will be on the presentation for 2019, 2020, 2021, and may I use, etc.
So what will happen then? Well, there will be a strike vote, not sure when but there will be. Results will be somewhere between 99%-99.9% and then everybody will be happy cause here look, we are about to strike. No, we so far away from striking that I don’t even want to spend the time thinking about it. A strike vote is just what it is….a vote. It will give the company zero motivation to give us a new contract nor the mediator care about our strike vote, I’ll say it again, the mediator does not give a flying F about a strike vote (because we are not the one in control in this situation, keep that in mind).
Then what? After few years of exchanging back and forth of two complete opposite proposals, the mediator will finally force the union to send the company’s proposal for a vote (officially or unofficially it will come to a vote somehow). Several years from now, Spirit will have a different pilot group, not that different but different enough to vote that contract in.
I am in full support of the NC committee and I’m sure they are doing their best but from my own experience, their hands are tight and their resources are limited. Your best bet is to fill out that app and move on. You’re just wasting your time and energy.
Negotiation will continue to progress in this same exact pace, if not slower. Every once in a while you will get an update from the union that will states something along the lines of "a progress was made and if the company continues with that same attitude we should have the contract we deserve in the near future..." but that is just to give you hope, some motivation, something to think that yes, the company finally get it! No, they don't.
Then, you will hear something like they got to give us a new contract before the summer, then it will turn into got to give us a contract before the holiday season, and then it will be sometime this year. I guarantee you that one of Spirit’s management goals for 2018 in the presentation will be to “reach an agreement with our pilots” but that’s all it will be, just a bullet point, nothing behind it. This same bullet point will be on the presentation for 2019, 2020, 2021, and may I use, etc.
So what will happen then? Well, there will be a strike vote, not sure when but there will be. Results will be somewhere between 99%-99.9% and then everybody will be happy cause here look, we are about to strike. No, we so far away from striking that I don’t even want to spend the time thinking about it. A strike vote is just what it is….a vote. It will give the company zero motivation to give us a new contract nor the mediator care about our strike vote, I’ll say it again, the mediator does not give a flying F about a strike vote (because we are not the one in control in this situation, keep that in mind).
Then what? After few years of exchanging back and forth of two complete opposite proposals, the mediator will finally force the union to send the company’s proposal for a vote (officially or unofficially it will come to a vote somehow). Several years from now, Spirit will have a different pilot group, not that different but different enough to vote that contract in.
I am in full support of the NC committee and I’m sure they are doing their best but from my own experience, their hands are tight and their resources are limited. Your best bet is to fill out that app and move on. You’re just wasting your time and energy.
04-14-2017, 01:09 PM
#748
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Originally Posted by FlyP
I am now starting to get some flashbacks from my previous airline negotiations under the mediator. So here is what is going to happen:
Negotiation will continue to progress in this same exact pace, if not slower. Every once in a while you will get an update from the union that will states something along the lines of "a progress was made and if the company continues with that same attitude we should have the contract we deserve in the near future..." but that is just to give you hope, some motivation, something to think that yes, the company finally get it! No, they don't.
Then, you will hear something like they got to give us a new contract before the summer, then it will turn into got to give us a contract before the holiday season, and then it will be sometime this year. I guarantee you that one of Spirit’s management goals for 2018 in the presentation will be to “reach an agreement with our pilots” but that’s all it will be, just a bullet point, nothing behind it. This same bullet point will be on the presentation for 2019, 2020, 2021, and may I use, etc.
So what will happen then? Well, there will be a strike vote, not sure when but there will be. Results will be somewhere between 99%-99.9% and then everybody will be happy cause here look, we are about to strike. No, we so far away from striking that I don’t even want to spend the time thinking about it. A strike vote is just what it is….a vote. It will give the company zero motivation to give us a new contract nor the mediator care about our strike vote, I’ll say it again, the mediator does not give a flying F about a strike vote (because we are not the one in control in this situation, keep that in mind).
Then what? After few years of exchanging back and forth of two complete opposite proposals, the mediator will finally force the union to send the company’s proposal for a vote (officially or unofficially it will come to a vote somehow). Several years from now, Spirit will have a different pilot group, not that different but different enough to vote that contract in.
I am in full support of the NC committee and I’m sure they are doing their best but from my own experience, their hands are tight and their resources are limited. Your best bet is to fill out that app and move on. You’re just wasting your time and energy.
Negotiation will continue to progress in this same exact pace, if not slower. Every once in a while you will get an update from the union that will states something along the lines of "a progress was made and if the company continues with that same attitude we should have the contract we deserve in the near future..." but that is just to give you hope, some motivation, something to think that yes, the company finally get it! No, they don't.
Then, you will hear something like they got to give us a new contract before the summer, then it will turn into got to give us a contract before the holiday season, and then it will be sometime this year. I guarantee you that one of Spirit’s management goals for 2018 in the presentation will be to “reach an agreement with our pilots” but that’s all it will be, just a bullet point, nothing behind it. This same bullet point will be on the presentation for 2019, 2020, 2021, and may I use, etc.
So what will happen then? Well, there will be a strike vote, not sure when but there will be. Results will be somewhere between 99%-99.9% and then everybody will be happy cause here look, we are about to strike. No, we so far away from striking that I don’t even want to spend the time thinking about it. A strike vote is just what it is….a vote. It will give the company zero motivation to give us a new contract nor the mediator care about our strike vote, I’ll say it again, the mediator does not give a flying F about a strike vote (because we are not the one in control in this situation, keep that in mind).
Then what? After few years of exchanging back and forth of two complete opposite proposals, the mediator will finally force the union to send the company’s proposal for a vote (officially or unofficially it will come to a vote somehow). Several years from now, Spirit will have a different pilot group, not that different but different enough to vote that contract in.
I am in full support of the NC committee and I’m sure they are doing their best but from my own experience, their hands are tight and their resources are limited. Your best bet is to fill out that app and move on. You’re just wasting your time and energy.
Like I previously said , in a different way, so i don't offend all Snowflakes, thanks God MANY of you weren't here during the previous strike.
04-14-2017, 01:09 PM
#749
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Posts: 38
Originally Posted by ovrtake92
Nope. I'm cool. We'll fight this one out instead of hanging our heads low and pretending there aren't things we can do. Some of us just need to sack up and do them. If you don't have the guts to fight then don't but don't spew garbage that demoralizes the pilot group. That's exactly what they want. Put your big girl pants on and let's get a contract we can be proud of.
Stop calling for paper work
Fly your line
And anything else you can think of.
What a bunch of PUSSIES some of you are.
Stop calling for paper work
Fly your line
And anything else you can think of.
What a bunch of PUSSIES some of you are.
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“Together, these presentations asserted that the ULCC model, and Spirit specifically, could not support ALPA’s package proposal.”
“The simplest way to characterize the Company’s March 15th proposal is that our medical plan would be inferior to any plan offered to our peers or even our flight attendants.”
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“it is difficult to overstate how lacking the Negotiating Committee found the Company’s proposal.”
“Spirit management continues to argue that we should work for less than our professional colleagues and that we must now “buy” bottom of the industry pay rates by generating offsets that fund those increases.”
04-14-2017, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyP
I am now starting to get some flashbacks from my previous airline negotiations under the mediator. So here is what is going to happen:
Negotiation will continue to progress in this same exact pace, if not slower. Every once in a while you will get an update from the union that will states something along the lines of "a progress was made and if the company continues with that same attitude we should have the contract we deserve in the near future..." but that is just to give you hope, some motivation, something to think that yes, the company finally get it! No, they don't.
Then, you will hear something like they got to give us a new contract before the summer, then it will turn into got to give us a contract before the holiday season, and then it will be sometime this year. I guarantee you that one of Spirit’s management goals for 2018 in the presentation will be to “reach an agreement with our pilots” but that’s all it will be, just a bullet point, nothing behind it. This same bullet point will be on the presentation for 2019, 2020, 2021, and may I use, etc.
So what will happen then? Well, there will be a strike vote, not sure when but there will be. Results will be somewhere between 99%-99.9% and then everybody will be happy cause here look, we are about to strike. No, we so far away from striking that I don’t even want to spend the time thinking about it. A strike vote is just what it is….a vote. It will give the company zero motivation to give us a new contract nor the mediator care about our strike vote, I’ll say it again, the mediator does not give a flying F about a strike vote (because we are not the one in control in this situation, keep that in mind).
Then what? After few years of exchanging back and forth of two complete opposite proposals, the mediator will finally force the union to send the company’s proposal for a vote (officially or unofficially it will come to a vote somehow). Several years from now, Spirit will have a different pilot group, not that different but different enough to vote that contract in.
I am in full support of the NC committee and I’m sure they are doing their best but from my own experience, their hands are tight and their resources are limited. Your best bet is to fill out that app and move on. You’re just wasting your time and energy.
Negotiation will continue to progress in this same exact pace, if not slower. Every once in a while you will get an update from the union that will states something along the lines of "a progress was made and if the company continues with that same attitude we should have the contract we deserve in the near future..." but that is just to give you hope, some motivation, something to think that yes, the company finally get it! No, they don't.
Then, you will hear something like they got to give us a new contract before the summer, then it will turn into got to give us a contract before the holiday season, and then it will be sometime this year. I guarantee you that one of Spirit’s management goals for 2018 in the presentation will be to “reach an agreement with our pilots” but that’s all it will be, just a bullet point, nothing behind it. This same bullet point will be on the presentation for 2019, 2020, 2021, and may I use, etc.
So what will happen then? Well, there will be a strike vote, not sure when but there will be. Results will be somewhere between 99%-99.9% and then everybody will be happy cause here look, we are about to strike. No, we so far away from striking that I don’t even want to spend the time thinking about it. A strike vote is just what it is….a vote. It will give the company zero motivation to give us a new contract nor the mediator care about our strike vote, I’ll say it again, the mediator does not give a flying F about a strike vote (because we are not the one in control in this situation, keep that in mind).
Then what? After few years of exchanging back and forth of two complete opposite proposals, the mediator will finally force the union to send the company’s proposal for a vote (officially or unofficially it will come to a vote somehow). Several years from now, Spirit will have a different pilot group, not that different but different enough to vote that contract in.
I am in full support of the NC committee and I’m sure they are doing their best but from my own experience, their hands are tight and their resources are limited. Your best bet is to fill out that app and move on. You’re just wasting your time and energy.
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