Union says "get a real job"
 

Its official, this place has gotten that bad! check your email!

I see nothing

All I've got is a MEC meeting reminder and a PUB event.

Got nothing

It was LEC 018's real talk email.

Can you post it or is it private?

Council 18 Pilots,



We have all listened to Spirit management for the last six years saying, “We are building a new and great airline together.” We have stayed patient and professional while we saw our peers flying the same planes on the same routes make substantial contractual gains. We hoped each time a work rule was reinterpreted and taken from us, only to be regained through the grievance process, we may see a different side of Spirit management. We are now almost two years into an amendable contract that has seen our pay sink to the bottom of our peer group. It is fair to openly question why Spirit will not recognize the hard work and contributions our pilots have made to the record success of this company. Unfortunately, our answer is simple and bears repeating: pay attention to management’s actions, not their words. Whether it’s the record amount of NCCs, contractual disputes, or constant sick call inquiries, it is readily apparent that those wishing to have their hard work recognized, rewarded, and respected will not find that at Spirit.



Negotiations

By now you likely have read the Negotiating Committee’s e-mail regarding last week’s bargaining. While the update probably came as no surprise, we want to reassure you that management’s tactics will not change our resolve to obtain an industry-standard contract.



Recent Events and Questions

Dropping Reserve Days

Recently, there have been several instances where the company has forced pilots to work multiday trips after they dropped single reserve days in their work block. We ask anyone who encounters this scenario to please contact your rep and file an NCC immediately.



Why is Miami Air doing our flying?

As the MEC e-mail indicated, last week your MEC was notified of the decision to use Miami Air to cover flying for us on April 7–8. It was then was extended to the 9th and 10th. Spirit is doing this pursuant to 1.B.2, blaming the NEOs being out of service and “limited crew resources.” Your MEC leaders and ALPA Legal team are monitoring this to ensure CBA compliance. In the meantime, if you happen to see a Miami Air crew at our gates, please be professional and respectful.



Why do I see reserve pilots on the standing available list?

Section 25.K.4.i provides that no reserve pilot may be placed on the standing available list. Flica is in the process of programming a fix to prevent this. In the meantime, schedulers have been instructed to verify assignments so standing available pilots do not conflict with this part of the CBA. Since we can’t always prevent human error, we kindly ask that, while on reserve, please follow your contract.



I called out sick and now the chief pilot is calling. Why?

We know this is a review for some, but we are hiring a lot and would like to review this recently applied practice. Per 14.F.4, the company can require a physician’s note if they suspect sick time abuse. They are required to cover the cost of the visit for you to obtain this note, including any diagnostic tests or portion thereof requested by management and not covered by insurance.



If a chief pilot contacts you about your sick call but does not ask for a note, such an inquiry is allowed under 19.B, which governs routine inquiries by chief pilots. Remember, if the chief pilot questions your use of sick leave, you are allowed to contact your rep and have him on the call. We highly recommend you do so.



Should I leave Spirit?

We want to emphasize that career decisions are individual decisions and are best made upon careful consideration with your spouse and family. It is unfortunate that our contract dwarfs our industry peers who offer higher pay, retirement, and profit sharing. We know that first officers who recently left Spirit received immediate raises elsewhere, while junior captains only took a pay cut in their first year. You will see a new contract comparison from the Negotiating Committee very soon, and we hope everyone reads the data carefully.




Quitting? Consider Donating Sick Time

Per Section 14.f.6, a pilot may donate no more than 50 percent of his sick-leave credit to another pilot. If you log on to spirit.alpa.org and click on “Time to Give,” you will receive the sick time donation form. Many of our pay day hotlines include the names of pilots recently out on long-term leave that could use our help. When submitting the request, please copy in your chief pilot and status rep to ensure the sick time donation is processed correctly. Recently, one of our own, DTW CA M went out on leave due to a serious illness. Please consider him and the several pilots that need our help.

Get out. Spirit doesn't get it. There's a reason they don't care about the pilot group. Whatever they have panned doesn't depend on it.

love this! I wish we saw more comms calling the company out for the selfish, greedy d bags they are. People need to wake up and stop listening to all of mgmt.'s BS about how they want to get a deal done. They stick it to us every chance they get.

Oh and finally someone is addressing the reserves on the standing available list. STOP IGNORING YOUR CBA for god sake.

Nice job communicating council 18
Thanks for that :)
Reserves forced to work on day off!!! :mad:

Nice [emoji106]

Time to get out. We aren't getting a contract. I've heard that 1/3 the captains in ORD still taxi with one engine. ***? Not that taxiing with 1 engine with get us a contract it just shows the don't care. I've had FO's tell me they only wear the lanyard because of peer pressure.

We will get a contract and those of us that are still here will go on strike to get it. Short of that we aren't getting one unless a bunch of us puss out and vote in an allegiant deal.

Maybe we can have a contest to see which domicile taxis best.

I get on planes with no APU running all the time with cabin temperature at 85.. taxi out watching the next bird come in on 1 engine...it's F mind blowing...

It is mind blowing. So many FO's don't seem riled up at all. When I taxi on two or other such things they look at me like I'm crazy. The best was the one that said he was only wearing the lanyard due to peer pressure. Seems like maybe the company is stocking the deck with company men.

The cockpit is supposed to be a safe space, man

I'm part of the 9kts taxi club with 3 turning.... every leg, you should join too!!

Sounds like a movement worth joining!

Someone was chanting No Show - No Go last weekend. It has a good ring to it.

I'm in. Already been doing it. Don't get ****ed if you're stuck behind me

Of course, safety is our number one goal.

I turn off the bleed when I leave in the off chance that the ground grew does their job and hooks up the air. It's a limitation still right? If they don't hook it up I'm sorry your airplane is warm. Just hit the bleed button and delay boarding until it's safe.

If the APU bleed is on and they hook of air after I leave the plane, they just broke the limitation, not me.

I assume all of our air carts are broke if air isnt hooked by the time im out of the flight deck, so I leave the air on.

I get what you're saying, wish more guys GOT IT

Pretty sure they are not responsible for knowing that limitation. They are "supposed to" hook up the air unless we tell them to pull it. My assumption is they know how to do their job. If they don't then that's bendos job. He doesn't even show up to work so it's no surprise the ramp doesn't either

I know they arent responsible for the limitation...its a joke. But Im not using it "simultaneously" when I leave it on.

These clowns are supposed to many things, they dont. So if the air isn't hooked up, I run the air. No way am I hanging out in DFW to wait for them to hook the air up before I leave and I don't like leaving the plane hot because we have too many gutless CAs who will board that plane up at 85 degrees because they dont want to "make waves".

You do what you're doing if it works for you, at least you're running the thing. So many fools aren't running it. So thanks for running it.

I Filed a NCC nearly a year ago for this.