When is the STRIKE VOTE!!!
 

BF tells investors they plan a cost neutral or cost saving contract.

TC gives a three hour presentation of lies to the mediator on how our proposal that has been vetted as affordable will bankrupt the airline.

WHEN IS THE STRIKE VOTE ALREADY??!!!

I wish we could go on strike yesterday!

I was told recently it is coming and to be patient...

On another note - it was nice to see the truck at BDL on the FLL chat.

FUPM

Strike vote doesn't mean anything on the first offer from the company. It's an initial offer. The company knows their proposal would NEVER pass a vote. A strike vote happens when negotiations stall.

It wasnt their first offer!!!! That was a year and a half ago!

He just told investors that they are negotiating a cost neutral contract. That sounds stalled to me! An impasse is when we get to go on strike, the vote needs to be now!

Truck at BDL? You lost me

Negotiations stalled a long time ago. Time for the strike vote...We are losing money everyday. The only thing that will make it up is FULL retro pay.
Let's roll!

Yep, you're right. Nothing is taking place in these sessions. They go in and have a game of cribbage and then laugh on the way out the door at our paychecks.

Bob and Bendo can say whatever they want. That doesn't reflect what happens at the table.

Unfortunately the company has 20 alpa negotiations updates sent out over the last 2 years that say progress has been made but...

Billboard truck in BDL.

"New city. No new contract."
"Spirit pilots want a new contract NOW!"

Sitting out by the airport, occasionally drives in front of the terminal.

We do the strike vote at the most opportune/appropriate time. I support my NC.

FUPM.
pigmen&women
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I support my nc too, but it's time to send the signal of a strike vote, especially to the BOD and investors. I don't see any advantage to waiting. Hawaiian did there vote a long time and they have a contract now.

Another option would be a vote of no confidence and a press release. We could say we are concerned about attracting pilots due to no contract. There also may be insufficient staffing levels and cancellations due to unattractive compensation compared to our peers. I seem to remember AA doing something like that years ago.

We need to bring this to investor's attention!

I totally agree with this. Strike vote now with a vote of no confidence is a strong message to send to the bod and the traveling public. Do this and then put it on billboards at our busiest destinations. Also a wall street journal ad would be great to show that we are very serious and willing to do whatever it takes!!!

The investors know, the BOD knows, the the guy who vacuumes the hallways at HQ knows. Doing a strike vote when negotiations are still taking place makes us look emotional...........which we are. Patience

Investors absolutely do not know. They think the company is going to get a cost neutral contract and we will be happy to ratify it.

Because upgrade time is short and that's the only thing that matters /s

Has it occurred to anyone the company just may want us to strike? We've proven we'll walk before. We also proved we would take the first subpar offer the union strong armed us into voting for. I'm not sure it would happen again. This is a very different group from 2010, but it may still be what management is counting on.

I am sure! This is a very different group than 2010 but I think everyone knows how far behind we are, when compared to everyone else. Bob says cost neutral or reduced cost contract. That's progress? I don't think so. Strike vote now!

This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. "The company wants us to strike"?

What? Really?

Well I can tell you one thing- you sure as heck don't go back to work without a vote.

What mgt, bod, and the analysts know is that a strike vote means nothing to them unless we get released, which is a long time off. If we took one now or in a year, it won't matter to them. What 99% of the public doesn't know about is the RLA and the significance of a vote. All they know is the pilots want to go on strike and maybe not risk ruining their vacation by purchasing a ticket on us. At a time when mgt cares about the image of the airline, waiting on a vote is only hurting us. Strike vote now and follow it up with billboards and newspaper ads.

It's not dumb. Look at it from their perspective. Spirit has a lot more cash on hand then when we walked for five days in 2010. Spirit will be just fine for at least that long. We're already the least favorite airline and our planes are full. Spirit won't suffer from bad PR. But we, the pilots, (from management's perspective) will start to break down after a few days. We'll get desperate, scared. They'll threaten to shut the place down; sell every asset (except us) and cash out. We will be grateful (in management's mind) for any deal they offer.

It may well be their plan to use our threat of a strike against us. I'm not saying it would work, but it may be their plan. Yeah, it's outside the box, but we should be prepared for outside the box tactics. Anyone who remembers Contract 9000 should understand this.

Good guys don't always win just because they're good guys. They have a much better chance if they can think like bad guys.

This is a public company this time. The meltdown of 2015 cost them $64 million and the airplanes were still moving. This airline coming to a hault would cost them exponentially more and they owe it to the shareholders not to let that happen. When we get released they absolutely will come to the table with an industry standard contract to save their own hides. It's their strategy anyway. Stall as long as possible and then sign the deal they know they have to in the eleventh hour. Their only strategy now is to figure out how to keep stalling while appearing to be negotiating. Getting released is how we get our contract.

They don't want a strike I can assure you

Management must be selling the investors that we are a "soft" group.
Their claims of a "cost neutral" offer, indicate that.

Selling the board that many new folks straight out of regional hell, are happy to be here, flying that NEO and upgrade "quickly" :eek:

Passing that b.s. LOA by 70%, giving away 3 days of paid GS, and all drops associated...sure sent the wrong message and was a low point.

Ex-Chair giving them relief when they needed it most...amateurish at best.

Chokers still answering the phone...
One JA pick up is one too many, unacceptable at this point.

We need to educate each other and talk to crews, aiming for the passionate responses exhibited here.


A 100% Strike vote would send a STRONG message.
Although not applicable until released.

WE MUST SHOW these slave runners that WE ARE NOT SOFT!

When the time is right, STRIKE VOTE by 100%

UNITED WE STAND!

This is absolutely correct and why we need to have the strike vote now. Would you buy tickets on an airline that as far as you knew, could strike at any time? I bet this was instrumental in bringing hawaiian to the table. I don't see what we are waiting for. The company clearly has no intention of negotiating in good faith or giving us a reasonable contract. STRIKE VOTE NOW!

Agree...

FLL passengers remember the strike and some may have had their vacations interrupted by it.

Posting a billboard that say "99% of Spirit Pilots voted to go on strike" driving around FLL would gain traction.

Google "Hawaiian Airlines pilot strike" and see how that was picked up.

We know we wont get released after a strike vote, the traveling public does not.

My only guess is they will time a strike vote prior to the booking of the busy summer travel season, as they should.

Would be nice if they held a strike vote now with voting closing / results posted the day of the hanger opening, or wait until the day before the next earnings call.

Yeah buddy. All about the timing. I'm sure we'll see things ratchet up in the next month

I've disliked most of your posts until now., lol. Good ide!

I feel like this is the best idea yet. As someone who just joined this board, we need to get more guys and gals 'integrated' and up to speed.

For example, myself. As a commuter with an 18 month old at home I've been habitually running to and from the plane. I dont live in base so without effort of my own there is no comradery or sense of purpose.

We need to focus on further polarizing the pilot group and getting people 'off the couch' and into the game

I think you mean "mobilize", not "polarize".