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05-08-2017, 04:09 AM
#112
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29 flight cancelled Today (08may), so far.
NK, since the beginning of the month has cancelled in average of 70 flights a day with 60 due to pilot availability every day over 400 flights, poor planning, poor transition, poor everything, most likely Mgmt will file a lawsuit against pilots based on intimidation amongst ourselves, but the reality is that they cant sued us for not answering our phones on our days off.
if anything it will show us how much they really care.
pax are not happy and news media is taking nothice that something is going on.
Everything adds up and eventually something gives.
NK, since the beginning of the month has cancelled in average of 70 flights a day with 60 due to pilot availability every day over 400 flights, poor planning, poor transition, poor everything, most likely Mgmt will file a lawsuit against pilots based on intimidation amongst ourselves, but the reality is that they cant sued us for not answering our phones on our days off.
if anything it will show us how much they really care.
pax are not happy and news media is taking nothice that something is going on.
Everything adds up and eventually something gives.
05-08-2017, 04:23 AM
#113
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Originally Posted by Sailor
29 flight cancelled Today (08may), so far.
NK, since the beginning of the month has cancelled in average of 70 flights a day with 60 due to pilot availability every day over 400 flights, poor planning, poor transition, poor everything, most likely Mgmt will file a lawsuit against pilots based on intimidation amongst ourselves, but the reality is that they cant sued us for not answering our phones on our days off.
if anything it will show us how much they really care.
pax are not happy and news media is taking nothice that something is going on.
Everything adds up and eventually something gives.
NK, since the beginning of the month has cancelled in average of 70 flights a day with 60 due to pilot availability every day over 400 flights, poor planning, poor transition, poor everything, most likely Mgmt will file a lawsuit against pilots based on intimidation amongst ourselves, but the reality is that they cant sued us for not answering our phones on our days off.
if anything it will show us how much they really care.
pax are not happy and news media is taking nothice that something is going on.
Everything adds up and eventually something gives.
I wonder if it's possible that our management is actually worse than theirs?
I'm guessing yes. They would rather this place fall apart than to just bargain with us.
Hope your Jury Duty was fun Bendo!
And FWIW when I say they would rather this place fall apart I'm not suggesting we will make matters worse, I'm simply stating that a new contract would address all these inefficiences that ole Rainman Bob likes to cry about during earnings calls
05-08-2017, 04:51 AM
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Originally Posted by UNSUBSCRIBE
Wasn't this just like the situation at Allegiant prior to a T/A?
I wonder if it's possible that our management is actually worse than theirs?
I'm guessing yes. They would rather this place fall apart than to just bargain with us.
Hope your Jury Duty was fun Bendo!
And FWIW when I say they would rather this place fall apart I'm not suggesting we will make matters worse, I'm simply stating that a new contract would address all these inefficiences that ole Rainman Bob likes to cry about during earnings calls
I wonder if it's possible that our management is actually worse than theirs?
I'm guessing yes. They would rather this place fall apart than to just bargain with us.
Hope your Jury Duty was fun Bendo!
And FWIW when I say they would rather this place fall apart I'm not suggesting we will make matters worse, I'm simply stating that a new contract would address all these inefficiences that ole Rainman Bob likes to cry about during earnings calls
05-08-2017, 06:27 AM
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If every spirit pilot simply asked themselves what they have failed to do in their job description that could have possibly contributed to this mess, we will all recognize who is responsible for dropping the ball, again and again. Let's not let Lucy pull the ball out from under us, and, each of us should ask themselves what the company gave them for bailing them out last year. It's human to empathize, it's human to want to assuage anxiety causing situations, it's in our pilot nature to want to course correct deviations, and....it is effective negotiating skills to allow opponent's poor performance to remain on their side of the court.
05-08-2017, 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by frotter
If every spirit pilot simply asked themselves what they have failed to do in their job description that could have possibly contributed to this mess, we will all recognize who is responsible for dropping the ball, again and again. Let's not let Lucy pull the ball out from under us, and, each of us should ask themselves what the company gave them for bailing them out last year. It's human to empathize, it's human to want to assuage anxiety causing situations, it's in our pilot nature to want to course correct deviations, and....it is effective negotiating skills to allow opponent's poor performance to remain on their side of the court.
Well said!!
05-08-2017, 07:30 AM
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[QUOTE=UNSUBSCRIBE;2359438]Wasn't this just like the situation at Allegiant prior to a T/A?
I wonder if it's possible that our management is actually worse than theirs?
Answer: Yes!
I'm guessing yes. They would rather this place fall apart than to just bargain with us.
Answer: Management actually never saw this coming. They've been able to bribe crew members with JR/MUP/Drop for so long why would it ever stop?
Hope your Jury Duty was fun Bendo!
I'd bet he never showed up for Junior Duty. Someone should have called to see if he attended.
I wonder if it's possible that our management is actually worse than theirs?
Answer: Yes!
I'm guessing yes. They would rather this place fall apart than to just bargain with us.
Answer: Management actually never saw this coming. They've been able to bribe crew members with JR/MUP/Drop for so long why would it ever stop?
Hope your Jury Duty was fun Bendo!
I'd bet he never showed up for Junior Duty. Someone should have called to see if he attended.
05-09-2017, 09:59 AM
#119
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Originally Posted by UNSUBSCRIBE
Wasn't this just like the situation at Allegiant prior to a T/A?
I wonder if it's possible that our management is actually worse than theirs?
I'm guessing yes. They would rather this place fall apart than to just bargain with us.
Hope your Jury Duty was fun Bendo!
And FWIW when I say they would rather this place fall apart I'm not suggesting we will make matters worse, I'm simply stating that a new contract would address all these inefficiences that ole Rainman Bob likes to cry about during earnings calls
I wonder if it's possible that our management is actually worse than theirs?
I'm guessing yes. They would rather this place fall apart than to just bargain with us.
Hope your Jury Duty was fun Bendo!
And FWIW when I say they would rather this place fall apart I'm not suggesting we will make matters worse, I'm simply stating that a new contract would address all these inefficiences that ole Rainman Bob likes to cry about during earnings calls
No, the situation is not the same. Allegiant's pilot group elected not to take what you guys seem to term JAs (ours was "mission mode")...200%, for you guys, correct? Also, as the mission mode rules were completely ambiguous, they could "make a deal" and offer double block or more, etc. Management didn't want an LOA on it, so we decided to not accept them, as the application was incredibly inconsistent (yes, we still had a couple of actual scabs taking them...and a few others that decided their interests didn't fall in line with the pilot groups). We did not, however, discourage anyone from picking up open time...as with you guys, it's quite often the only way to make any actual money, which management obviously counted on.
It would be a wash as to just how stupid our management teams can be...with our new contract, they have gone full Clinton and are arguing what well defined words mean...the grievances are mounting.
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