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awax 05-11-2017 08:29 AM

TRO Document
 
Here's a copy of the TRO for those who may not have read it.

https://consumermediallc.files.wordp.../spirittro.pdf

flensr 05-22-2017 10:35 PM

Anyone have a link to the company's original (lengthy) complaint? Can't seem to find it. Thx in advance.

FlyingOkra 05-23-2017 04:59 AM


Originally Posted by flensr (Post 2367898)
Anyone have a link to the company's original (lengthy) complaint? Can't seem to find it. Thx in advance.

Spirit ALPA website

deadseal 05-23-2017 11:26 AM

I'm sure it's out of context but I love the part where it says " refusing to accept voluntary or overtime flying"

Not sure how you can sue someone for that but I'm no rocket surgeon. I'm sorry for lurking in your garden, but this whole process is fascinating and I hope these greedy people get their feet held to the fire. I fully understand that managements job is to cut cost, but there is a line to where it goes counter productive. Something about not seeing the forest for the trees or whatever. Hang strong

Andy 05-23-2017 11:34 AM


Originally Posted by deadseal (Post 2368210)
I'm sure it's out of context but I love the part where it says " refusing to accept voluntary or overtime flying"

Not sure how you can sue someone for that but I'm no rocket surgeon. I'm sorry for lurking in your garden, but this whole process is fascinating and I hope these greedy people get their feet held to the fire. I fully understand that managements job is to cut cost, but there is a line to where it goes counter productive. Something about not seeing the forest for the trees or whatever. Hang strong

Status Quo. DALPA lost a court ruling on this matter ~2004 and APA lost a court ruling on this ~2009. Legal precedent is in Spirit management's favor on this matter. Of course the intimidation campaign by some individuals didn't help SPA.

Dukeuno 05-23-2017 12:19 PM


Originally Posted by deadseal (Post 2368210)
I'm sure it's out of context but I love the part where it says " refusing to accept voluntary or overtime flying"

Not sure how you can sue someone for that but I'm no rocket surgeon. I'm sorry for lurking in your garden, but this whole process is fascinating and I hope these greedy people get their feet held to the fire. I fully understand that managements job is to cut cost, but there is a line to where it goes counter productive. Something about not seeing the forest for the trees or whatever. Hang strong

The actually TRO from the Judge basically states that it can't be a concerted effort by the pilot group. You can make your own choice to either pick up or not pick up open time, but you cant make it a concerted effort.

Super EZ E 05-25-2017 08:43 PM


Originally Posted by Dukeuno (Post 2368234)
The actually TRO from the Judge basically states that it can't be a concerted effort by the pilot group. You can make your own choice to either pick up or not pick up open time, but you cant make it a concerted effort.

Ding ding ding! You got it! That's all it states. It's not a hammer, it's a piece of paper!! APC post are just fluff, the website posting didn't help the pilot group but you have to understand guys are getting ****ed that guys pull 150 to 200 hours of credit every month! That's the real problem and needs to be reeled in by the pilot group. Those are actual jobs and the union needs to protect the pilot group from this behavior.

Planepirate 05-25-2017 09:01 PM


Originally Posted by Super EZ E (Post 2369728)
Ding ding ding! You got it! That's all it states. It's not a hammer, it's a piece of paper!! APC post are just fluff, the website posting didn't help the pilot group but you have to understand guys are getting ****ed that guys pull 150 to 200 hours of credit every month! That's the real problem and needs to be reeled in by the pilot group. Those are actual jobs and the union needs to protect the pilot group from this behavior.

You really don't know when to shut up do you?

Skypilotsv1984 05-26-2017 02:36 AM

He's probably a Ford and Harrison employee or a management troll.

FL370esq 05-26-2017 03:50 AM


Originally Posted by Andy (Post 2368213)
Status Quo. DALPA lost a court ruling on this matter ~2004 and APA lost a court ruling on this ~2009. Legal precedent is in Spirit management's favor on this matter. Of course the intimidation campaign by some individuals didn't help SPA.

Status quo is an interesting concept. The Delta issue came down to hard evidence by a few union officials pushing the "No OT" campaign coupled with a measurable decrease in voluntary overtime flying when compared year-over-year.

Absent the union intervention and "fingerprints," I think a Court would be hard-pressed to issue a TRO to compell pilots to fly voluntary overtime. TROs usually "stop" stuff rather than compell someone to do something....hence the "R" (Restraining) in TRO. Even with past practice (i.e., X amount of trips are covered by voluntary OT), are you obligated to fly over and beyond the terms of your contract? It becomes an interesting legal exercise.

Good luck!


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