Very Selective Screening Process?
 

I started pursuing greener pastures about a year and a half ago. Not incredibly interested in the legacy carriers. Would like to go somewhere a little smaller with some growth. Started looking into Spirit and filled out the online app. After the app was completed I received an email with a link to a talent assessment. Unfortunately this link did not work so I reached out to the organization that created it but received no response. After about a week I got another email telling me to finish the talent assessment but the link was still not working. Sent another email to a different group of folks that handle the app process. Another email came with a good link followed by a Thanks but no Thanks.

Out of all the apps I have in, this is my first of those messages. I know I meet the mins by far. So it's not that. I failed my instrument oral about 15 years ago. Is that a major deal breaker?

Someone mentioned that since I live in ATL and I'm in my mid 30's they might be worried about me using the type and going straight to Delta. Which is not my intention. Wondering how to get this message across to them, that I'm not that guy.

Anyone else had this problem?

Don’t take it personal, the hiring process is just as disfunctional as the rest of the operation. That failure is a non issue assuming you didn’t shoot the examiner.

don't sweat it.
Type ratings mean diddly these days. Delta has 7? 9 fleet types? You'd just as easily get the 73, 71, or the 80, shoot you might get 75-6. Keep up dating and filing out apps. the best airline out there is the one that hires you.

goodluck

Why are you not interested in the legacy carriers? You do realize that you missed the growth cycle at Spirit right? We are on the back third of our planned growth. You will stagnant for a long long time here. The legacies have thousands of retirements, you don’t need growth.

Also you’re saying you would commute to Spirit over living in base at Delta given the opportunity? I think your post doesn’t pass the sniff test or you need your head examined

to find out if you are qualified do this- find a mirror or mirror covered object. place the mirrored object close to your face. does the mirror show any sign of fogging up? if yes, you are qualified.

Indeed. If anything a failure should make you more attractive to Spirit.

I lived in ATL for 15 years and would go back in a heartbeat but I have absolutely no interest in ever becoming a Deltoid. I might be in the minority and wouldn't argue against the need for a head examination (I did come to Spirit voluntarily after all) but an aversion to/antipathy towards the Widget shouldn't be an automatic red flag.

Honestly, we're looking for people who can't leave NK for something better.

At first it may seem crazy yes. A.) even if I were to take a gig at the big D, I'd be commuting for some time. ATL isn't available right off the bat. B.) If you get ATL, it's on the mad dog or 717 where you are basically doing very short hops all day long. No biggie, just not what I'm looking for. C.). Trust me, the big D isn't for everyone. There's a big difference in culture within these companies. Not sure I could conform. D.) Delta only hires what they see as the elite of the elite. Even if you were of the elite, if you don't look like it on paper, you aren't their type of material. Gotta do a lot of embellishing and over compensating to get their attention. Again, not for me.

I'd like to make the next step of my career, the last. It needs to happen in the next few months. So long as the upgrade isn't another 10 years, I'm game for what ever. Lasted 10 years as a regional FO before my CA number was pulled. I'm sure I could do 5-6 at a major.

I totally get your point though. It's all relative these days. We've all got our own little plans in our mind.

So you're saying they're looking for guys that don't meet the mins ;-)

I kid, I kid. The by far thing was a bit mis leading. My TPIC time is nothing to brag about. Pretty low. But it's there. Assumed it would help push me over the required mins.

we have been hiring less and less qualified pilots and our training failure rate proves it

You say that but I still got the rejection letter. I didn't even have a chance to fill out the assessment. Couldn't have been that. Was a pretty quick decision all while they are looking for qualified guys. Surprised me a bit.

I don’t think ATL is THAT senior. Choosing to commute and for less money makes zero sense I don’t care what type of plane or flying it is. Choosing to live in base for less money is different. 5-6 year upgrade at a legacy making top industry pay and making more than a Spirit captain as an FO or be a forever FO at Spirit at industry bottom compensation. Anyone hired today may never upgrade before their retirement date. I would think you can deal with a lot of “culture” for the money and profit sharing other airlines are paying not to mention driving to work is litterally priceless.

Go visit the W2 thread and report back. Only place worse than here is Frontier and Atlas.

[QUOTE=Qotsaautopilot;2501265]or be a forever FO at Spirit at industry bottom compensation. Anyone hired today may never upgrade before their retirement date.

But I thought everyone was leaving for the Legacy’s. One thread you guys say everyone has apps out and attrition is sky high then another you say you will never upgrade.

Turnover is the bottom half of the FO list. People that wouldn't upgrade anyway.

Training failures are in there too.
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[QUOTE=LloydBraun;2501269]Facts don’t matter here.

Nowadays everybody wanna talk like they got something to say
But nothing comes out when they move their lips
Just a bunch of gibberish

This is exactly how you get high attritian and never upgrade.

Holly cow I just laughed for 2 minutes! You made my day.

Why dont you want a legacy? Do you enjoy making ** and overworking? Try a regional.

I imagine that you are over qualified. Our new hires seem to be less experienced pilots with fewer options. I know almost everyone in my class that could leave already has.

[QUOTE=Feng;2501293]Lol. Do you still listen to Eminem a lot? In your room... in your parents basement?

Very strange and factually incorrect statements. You could be a CA in ATL in under 3 years. If hired now you could probably be on the 7ER in ATL if you wanted longer haul. Certainly you could pick from the 737 or A320. There is something else at work here because nothing you post makes sense. Half the last new hire class went to ATL.

You probably used the wrong browser. Airlines are starting to filter for "tech savvy" (ie "young").

Ive got the same email and I didn’t even complete my application. It’s too bad they use computers rather than people to select candidates. Even McDonald’s actually looks at your resume.

I've applied and have kept my app updated. Got the talent assessment twice, most recently about 10 days ago or so. No TBNT, but no interview either.

I noticed a few errors on the app like mis spelled words, same exact question twice in a row etc. Then the link to the assessment that they kept sending me went to no where. So I guess I was wondering if the thanks but no thanks might have been sent in error as well. Especially since right after that email came another one to the talent assessment that worked. Who knows.

Yeah man it might be a mistake or you could be too qualified currently. I know we still hire many RJ captains but we also hire a lot of 2.5k FO's and some people who are qualified with good LOR's get the TBNT. There seems to be no rational reason why anyone gets picked these days. Either way you should follow up if you feel it might be in your best interest.

I think the key to getting an interview with NK is to actually meet a recruiter face to face. I stopped by the Spirit table at a ERAU career expo after having the online assessment completed for four months. I had figured that they were not interested, six weeks later got an email from talent acquisition for the phone interview and follow on in person. Very happy, awaiting a training date after my military retirement.

I love that Delta is hiring the "Elite of the elite" at a rate of over 1000 per year for the last few years and continuing. Sure are a lot of elites out there..... sorta like everyone's kids an honor-roll student in elementary school.

Lol they certainly arent. Not sure why guys think that. They hire some pretty average guys/gals

I lived in ATL for 15 years and would go back in a heartbeat but I have absolutely no interest in ever becoming a Deltoid. I might be in the minority and wouldn't argue against the need for a head examination (I did come to Spirit voluntarily after all) but an aversion to/antipathy towards the Widget shouldn't be an automatic red flag.[/QUOTE]

Not sure what a Deltoid is but I can tell you this. The corporate culture is slowly changing at most Airlines. Deltoid today might not be a Deltoid over the next few years. Legacy carries have A LOT of movement and with that movement we are seeing a lot of changes. Don’t rule out Delta just because of some reputation rumor you heard. I’m yet to meet an unhappy Delta pilot (recently hired one ).

Not sure what a Deltoid is?

If you can't identify the sucker in the room...

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I was based in ATL for 11+ years doing Delta Connection flying surrounded by Delta pilots, my opinion is based on that experience and has nothing to do with rumor or reputation.

Well then you must not have met me then. :D. I’m awesome, really cool, and laid back. I am by the book though. :)

“I worked at Delta connection for xx years and I met Delta pilots so I’d rather commute for less money to fly with other A-holes than make much more and live in base and work with those A-holes”

Crazy talk but too each his own I guess

Who are you trying to convince? I don't commute and I have no interest in working for Delta because I know I'm not Delta material. I'm quite fine with that and maybe with a bit of time you can be too.

I know many good people who have gone to Delta and I've met some cool Delta pilots in my travels. (One of them may or may not have even let a friend of mine try out his flight director in cruise... ;)) More power to anyone who wants to go to Delta, I just know that I'm not one for them. Not sure why that upset people who don't even work there so much.

The OP.

He said he wanted to stay in ATL (commute to Spirit) for less money and didn’t want to go to Delta (live in base) for more money because he thinks Delta guys are A-holes.

Every airline has A-holes. Go to the one that you don’t have to commute for if the pay is acceptable. Or go to the big money even if it means a commute if that’s your fancy. Commuting for less money is just dumb. If they don’t hire you that’s different but based on culture, really?

Unless you count 737 and A320 slots that happen all the time.

It’s funny to hear Delta rumors from outsiders. You’d think we played seriousness contests and ironed our underwear. I assure you, it’s quite the opposite. I’m not sure what your conformity issues are either; fly like the book says. It’s the same anywhere you go. Except here they make you wear a hat.