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Deathwish 01-23-2018 10:12 PM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2509921)
I’m glad you read it but why now? Where have you been the last three years? Contract isn’t worth the paper it’s on if your job can be outsourced.

No furlough means you won’t lose your job now but all growth can be outsourced until they shrink the current list out of existence through retirements slowly. That will obviously take forever but every future negotiation will be drug out forever as we lose more and more leverage because we are whipsawed against the outsourcing.

I’m not saying this will happen but it can and we need to nip it now. The argument will be that there is no money to be made in codesharing. If that is so why do airlines do it? And if there is no money then why not give us southwest scope for free. And if there is money we need comprehensive restrictions that protect our growth and future while also sharing in the wealth (profit sharing).

You put in a good effort trying to convince Dracula over in F9 of scope importance.... can’t blame you for walking out of there.

Tranquility 01-24-2018 05:45 AM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2509921)
I’m glad you read it but why now? Where have you been the last three years? Contract isn’t worth the paper it’s on if your job can be outsourced.

Really? Get off your high horse already. There’s sooooooo much I can do right now with section 1 and how if affects my daily life as a pilot. :rolleyes:

Miami Air perked my interest earlier last year, but I wanted to reread the whole thing to have some basis for comparison when the TA gets rolled out.

flyguyniner11 01-24-2018 06:14 AM


Originally Posted by Tranquility (Post 2510044)
Really? Get off your high horse already. There’s sooooooo much I can do right now with section 1 and how if affects my daily life as a pilot. :rolleyes:

Miami Air perked my interest earlier last year, but I wanted to reread the whole thing to have some basis for comparison when the TA gets rolled out.

It’s really not a bad idea to make yourself more familiar with the current contract to compare with the upcoming TA.

Qotsaautopilot 01-24-2018 06:32 AM


Originally Posted by Tranquility (Post 2510044)
Really? Get off your high horse already. There’s sooooooo much I can do right now with section 1 and how if affects my daily life as a pilot. :rolleyes:

Miami Air perked my interest earlier last year, but I wanted to reread the whole thing to have some basis for comparison when the TA gets rolled out.


Hey I’m glad you read it. I was just hoping that when everyone was filling out their surveys over the last few years that they we educated on what we had and what we needed. You never know if the offer is good if you don’t know what you currently have.

It’s not a high horse. The contract is required reading right after IOE imo

Tranquility 01-24-2018 07:40 AM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2510084)
Hey I’m glad you read it. I was just hoping that when everyone was filling out their surveys over the last few years that they we educated on what we had and what we needed. You never know if the offer is good if you don’t know what you currently have.

It’s not a high horse. The contract is required reading right after IOE imo

Fair enough. In my surveys I definitely expressed the concern for stronger scope language, however, I was more concerned with the merger language and not codeshare. Just wasn’t on my radar at the time. I did not read section 1 right after OE.... I was more concerned with sections 3, 12, and 25.


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