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Qotsaautopilot 01-31-2018 05:41 AM

Section 5: expenses
 
Pros and cons of ta

Qotsaautopilot 02-02-2018 09:05 PM

Pro:
Hotel buy back went up to $50 from $25
This is current book but the nap rooms are PILOT ONLY! Now let’s get the loud filthy FAs out. No profit sharing I’m not sharing.
Long overnight is now 18hrs block in to block out (yes I understand this may be a con for some). It was a win for the company no doubt so what did we get for it?

Con:
Per diem increases $.02 per year. Really?
No Crew meals
Same uniform allotment instead of a replacement bank or dry cleaning reimbursement
No FAA medical reimbursement

OpenClimb 02-02-2018 09:28 PM

Looks like you may be sharing hotel rooms for a charter. Check out 5.A.2.e.12.

It makes single hotel rooms (5.A.2.d.1.) “preferred” rather than mandatory.

I’m assuming “single hotel rooms” means single *occupancy* hotel rooms.

Could make for some interesting overnights, I guess.

Lincoln Osiris 02-02-2018 09:37 PM


Originally Posted by OpenClimb (Post 2518549)
Looks like you may be sharing hotel rooms for a charter. Check out 5.A.2.e.12.

It makes single hotel rooms (5.A.2.d.1.) “preferred” rather than mandatory.

I’m assuming “single hotel rooms” means single *occupancy* hotel rooms.

Could make for some interesting overnights, I guess.

I don't think I follow the single hotel rooms language is exactly the same as the current contract...

Qotsaautopilot 02-02-2018 09:38 PM


Originally Posted by OpenClimb (Post 2518549)
Looks like you may be sharing hotel rooms for a charter. Check out 5.A.2.e.12.

It makes single hotel rooms (5.A.2.d.1.) “preferred” rather than mandatory.

I’m assuming “single hotel rooms” means single *occupancy* hotel rooms.

Could make for some interesting overnights, I guess.

How many charters have you done here? Yes though that is an oversight and would have to be fixed. Always look to the future for the holes. It is current book. Nice catch though

OpenClimb 02-02-2018 09:39 PM

I noticed another potential gotcha in the Hotel section.

5.A.2.a.10. Acceptable cost.

Acceptable to whom? The Company, I presume. If this is the case, what’s to keep them from refusing to pay for anything above a Super 8?

OpenClimb 02-02-2018 09:42 PM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2518559)
How many charters have you done here? Yes though that is an oversight and would have to be fixed. Always look to the future for the holes. It is current book. Nice catch though

If it’s not a big deal, then the Company shouldn’t mind changing it, then. Is that what you’re trying to say?

Qotsaautopilot 02-02-2018 09:42 PM


Originally Posted by OpenClimb (Post 2518560)
I noticed another potential gotcha in the Hotel section.

5.A.2.a.10. Acceptable cost.

Acceptable to whom? The Company, I presume. If this is the case, what’s to keep them from refusing to pay for anything above a Super 8?

Again current book. I would think precedent would prevail on this as “metropolitan area” is in there again. Hotels were a cut and paste aside from the long/short hours

Lincoln Osiris 02-02-2018 09:42 PM


Originally Posted by OpenClimb (Post 2518560)
I noticed another potential gotcha in the Hotel section.

5.A.2.a.10. Acceptable cost.

Acceptable to whom? The Company, I presume. If this is the case, what’s to keep them from refusing to pay for anything above a Super 8?

"It is understood that these “Hotel Minimum Standards” may be modified with
the mutual agreement of the Company and the Association Hotel Committee."

I believe that's what they mean by who it is "acceptable to".

Qotsaautopilot 02-02-2018 09:44 PM


Originally Posted by OpenClimb (Post 2518563)
If it’s not a big deal, then the Company shouldn’t mind changing it, then. Is that what you’re trying to say?

I’m certainly open to having that changed and for free yes

Ed Force One 02-04-2018 07:50 AM

$0.02 a year? While I think that Per Diem is nothing to reject a contract over, come on.

0.02 x 24 = 0.48.

48 cents per day won't even cover the yearly inflation on a single cup of airport Starbucks!

Qotsaautopilot 02-04-2018 07:56 AM


Originally Posted by Ed Force One (Post 2519698)
$0.02 a year? While I think that Per Diem is nothing to reject a contract over, come on.

0.02 x 24 = 0.48.

48 cents per day won't even cover the yearly inflation on a single cup of airport Starbucks!

$2.25/hr doesn’t come close to covering three nutritious meals on the road these days and entertainment (a movie maybe). Don’t forget that your per diem difference is no longer tax deductible but the company got a huge tax break

YourMom 02-04-2018 09:59 AM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2519704)
$2.25/hr doesn’t come close to covering three nutritious meals on the road these days and entertainment (a movie maybe). Don’t forget that your per diem difference is no longer tax deductible but the company got a huge tax break

Per diem is still deductible next year but most will not because the standard deduction will be $24000. Everyone is getting a tax break, not just companies. Even the "bonus" money will be taxed less with the new laws.

Qotsaautopilot 02-04-2018 10:31 AM


Originally Posted by YourMom (Post 2519830)
Per diem is still deductible next year but most will not because the standard deduction will be $24000. Everyone is getting a tax break, not just companies. Even the "bonus" money will be taxed less with the new laws.

Not to make this a tax debate but you’re incorrect about the per diem expense difference not being deductible. They are not. Miscellaneous deductions that exceed 2% of your AGI to include unreimbursed employee expenses and unreimbursed travel expenses are no longer deductible.

The rest of your point depends on each persons individual tax situation. I will likely pay a little (negligible) more tax on the same money in 2018 than 2017. The rates are going down but I’m losing $16,000 in personal exemptions and another $5,000 in deductions over the new $24,000 standard deduction. So if I make the same exact money in 2018 my taxable income is $21000 higher in 2018. Hopefully the rates will make up for the taxes on that extra $21000.

But I digress,

$2.25/hr with $.02 increases is low. An airport salad is $15. A hot meal with vegetables is $20.

YourMom 02-04-2018 11:56 AM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2519858)
Not to make this a tax debate but you’re incorrect about the per diem expense difference not being deductible. They are not. Miscellaneous deductions that exceed 2% of your AGI to include unreimbursed employee expenses and unreimbursed travel expenses are no longer deductible.

The rest of your point depends on each persons individual tax situation. I will likely pay a little (negligible) more tax on the same money in 2018 than 2017. The rates are going down but I’m losing $16,000 in personal exemptions and another $5,000 in deductions over the new $24,000 standard deduction. So if I make the same exact money in 2018 my taxable income is $21000 higher in 2018. Hopefully the rates will make up for the taxes on that extra $21000.

But I digress,

$2.25/hr with $.02 increases is low. An airport salad is $15. A hot meal with vegetables is $20.

You are correct and I was wrong the deductions exceeding 2% AGI are eliminated. Although your tax deductions are specific to you, I am having a tough time coming up with more than 24K in deductions (Even with the old law and checking my last couple of years) and I have all the regular ones (mortgage, taxes, medical, employees expenses, etc). So for most of us we are not exceeding 24K. Plus if you have kids add $1000 credit additional per kid. So I guess my point is that even though taxes are individual, it is out of the norm to be losing money in the new tax law.


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