Section 7: vacations
 

Pros and cons of ta

Looks like 9 days max after PBS, please tell me I’m wrong.

How is this “industry leading vacation?”

I read it as the other way around. With the variable vacation hours, if you select the minimum (12 hours) PBS would likely only give you 9 off. With the maximum, you’d only have to fly ALV-36 hours (ex. 72-36 = 36 hours you must fly; i.e. 2 18-hour trips), however no guarantees on what days you’ll have off (same as it is now, seniority depending). However you’ll never have fewer than 9 off consecutively.

Per the slide "A single vacation week can result in 7-22 days off, depending on pilot preferences"

Their is a chart, but would be a great road show question for them to explain

You can now bid and be awarded relief lines during months with vacation, but the company can assign you duty during your vacation....

even if you selected 36 hrs for your wk of vacation you could end up with 4day trips on both sides of the week(minus the 2 extra days), so sure lots of days off, but if your seniority cant hold the 4 days off both sides you are at 9 off in a row

And then you would drop the days if they are green. ..or use float vacation request to drop a trip..or swap once IOT and DOT open...etc

If I was a junior CA with line bidding, and I have 7 days of vacation, how do I get 20 days off in a row? Same way you do it with PBS. You aren't senior to hold it so you swap and drop.

Like line bidding, if you are senior to hold it, you get it

Exactly, the amount of extra time off depends on seniority, as it does now. Section 8 (which was a HUGE concern for me) is less of a worry vs. new section 25 language.....

What's the amount of vacation and weeks per year? How many weeks at year 5?

After your 5th anniversary you get a third week and another 28hrs the next calendar year. We have weeks and hours it’s hard to explain how it’s used to an outsider without seeing it in practice. Year 10 we stay at 3 weeks but we get another 14hrs. Top line is 5 weeks and 140hrs. This is all current book. No changes to accrual in the TA

It looks like you only get 2 days off in addition to your vacation? Is this correct for a total of 7, 9 or 11 days off in a row max? Keep in mind PBS probably has a minimum number of hours you need to be awarded so you will not be able to get 2 weeks or more off in a row. Unless I am missing something that PBS will allow for Spirit that it did not for the last airline I worked with PBS.

2nd point - I saw nothing or missed the part in the TA that covers minimum days/hours worked?? When dropping with red and green is there a threshold you can not go below or is the same as now that you can drop as much as red/green allows?

You’re missing a lot. I suggest watching the video. You’ll have no fewer than 9 off consecutively and more depending on how many vacation hours you choose to use. Use max hours, the slide showed 22 days off. Now, that doesn’t necessarily guarantee they’ll be in a row, but neither does our current contract.

Haven’t gotten there yet....

Drop as much as you want (line holder)

Not with the PBS I am familiar with. There was a limit of around 60 hours you must work each month so you can not drop below the company designated limit! Therefore no long vacations or dropping your trips below the minimum and rebuilding more favorable schedules? If this information is out there please share.

- I watched the vacation video and it did see answers to the previous questions?

It was in the pbs loa video. My bad for the wrong direction.

The chart in the PBS video was titled "Consecutive Days" IIRC.

So, sounds like you will still be able to line up 22 days off in a row.

Mr. White