Section 8: deadheading
 

Pros and cons of ta

Noooooooooooo!!! Do NOT watch the video!!! (Unless you enjoyed listening to the podcasts from the former MEC chairman....)

Haha...Captain ACK! respect will be paid

This took 3 months to negotiate?!

Pro I guess
It basically puts in language what we already do in practice.

Con
No guarantees on seating. No premium pay for crap seating. No restrictions on red eye or surface DH. Still 50% pay for DH to training. Why the training DH carveout? Wtf

Always remember if you take jumpseat you could be screwing a jumoseater out of his commute. Don’t do this

I mean in all fairness did you really want the MEC to waste precious mediation time negotiating where you sit on the plane during a deadhead?

On our planes yes. If you’re tall and on rsv it’s a massive qol issue. And Bendo stalled is for months on this one section. United get business automatically when the DH is booked (if it’s a pairing from the packet it should be a sure thing). If they get a center seat from working down the hierarchy it’s $150%

Bro, the deadhead language is literally the same among all the other carriers. I just read Delta's deadheading rules on their contract and it is virtually the same as ours. Or were you wanting some industry leading deadhead rules? lol

They don’t have our seats. And like I said united gets 150% for middle seats and is in first most of the time.

LOL omg


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Do you DH much? I do almost every trip. Our cabins are torture chambers if you’re over 4’10” should be big front seats guaranteed. It’s not make or break item to hang a vote but it’s certainly another qol straw to throw on the camel’s back. We didn’t give it away but we should’ve captured it with this compensation package.

Thanks for clarifying, I guess you must be a 12 year old 4’0” based on your texting style. However, I’m 6’2”, and not getting BFS/exit row on a DH means arriving in pain. Adequate contractual compensation would help the company in making sure the book us an ok seat.

Name one airline that GUARANTEES you a window or aisle seat or else keeps you off the flight. The dh language is the exact same as anywhere else from my looking around. We have worse things to worry about then what damn seat we get on a dead head.

If it doesn’t cost the company anything they should be okay with us getting It, if it does cost the company money the union should fight for monetary compensation if it doesn’t happen. This applies to room keys in the van, DH seat assignments, 5 days of to the maximum extent possible ASO. If you still don’t get this that then feel free to get of my lawn.

I guess that means you can't answer my question.

I can’t name any airline that cancels your DH if no window/isle seat is available.
Having said that, saying we have worse things to worry about is the not good enough. The only reason we have worse things to worry about is because they weren’t resolved in the last contract. If we keep carrying things over because of perceived negotiation capital available it will never improve.

Well, every other airline gives you 100% pay for a DH to training and United pays 150% if they stick you in a middle....so no your DH language is not like everyone else’s.

My friend at Virgin Alaska tells me they're required to get first class on DH longer than 5ish hours.

At my current regional we're not guaranteed anything in particular other than a passenger seat. Crew scheduling, or whatever system they use, usually initially puts you in a crap seat near the back. 24 hours prior I'll check in on the app and can usually move up to a premium economy or at least exit row seat. Is it the same at Spirit, where you check in on the app and then can move your seat? It also puts us on the upgrade list but I've gotten that exactly twice.

Btw, you can change your seat earlier than 24 hours prior, you just can’t check-in obviously. But the seat you choose is guaranteed.

Not a Spirit guy (I'm at another el-cheapo operation), but, c'mon guys:

Every single f#####g deadhead should always pay 100% block-or-better at a minimum. There is absolutely no reason to ever accept less.

United:

you get no worse than ECON+ for domestic under 8hrs block. Business or first for INTL and to and from training. If DH to cover another bases trip while on RSV you are booked in FC if available at time of trip construction.

The first priority is window/aisle then middle seat if you get middle seat you get 150% pay. A DH pilot will never be booked in ECON unless the plane has no other class of service (50 seaters)

The company MUST move a passenger to accommodate the DH rules. And of course 100% pay of the actual BLOCK of the DH.

It’s true for 5 hours or longer. The rest of the rules were based on 737s only. Must book window or aisle in exit row or more forward if going to work a flight after. If not, no mandatory seating but some stuff on available at time of booking.

Pay is 100% except for training.