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CLRtoPush 02-05-2018 06:00 PM


Originally Posted by Ed Force One (Post 2520941)
Absolutely. No argument here.

The plus side is that when your outbound flight is delayed, you can simply take a later van. Transportation services are usually not as flexible.

There will be less delays now due to scheduling’s new powers over pilots.

Stan Spadowski 02-05-2018 06:02 PM


Originally Posted by Ed Force One (Post 2520941)
Absolutely. No argument here.



The plus side is that when your outbound flight is delayed, you can simply take a later van. Transportation services are usually not as flexible.



24 hrs at IAH airport hotel! Can’t wait. Since we won’t be at doubletree or Sheraton, that holiday inn is still down the street, right? Miss those dinners at “Good Eats”


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Tjamaica 02-05-2018 06:07 PM


Originally Posted by Stan Spadowski (Post 2520950)
24 hrs at IAH airport hotel! Can’t wait. Since we won’t be at doubletree or Sheraton, that holiday inn is still down the street, right? Miss those dinners at “Good Eats”


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Curious, why would the quality of hotel change?

CLRtoPush 02-05-2018 06:37 PM


Originally Posted by Stan Spadowski (Post 2520950)
24 hrs at IAH airport hotel! Can’t wait. Since we won’t be at doubletree or Sheraton, that holiday inn is still down the street, right? Miss those dinners at “Good Eats”


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It beats the 3 hour back and forth through traffic on a 15 hour overnight.

UNSUBSCRIBE 02-05-2018 06:39 PM


Originally Posted by Stan Spadowski (Post 2520950)
24 hrs at IAH airport hotel! Can’t wait. Since we won’t be at doubletree or Sheraton, that holiday inn is still down the street, right? Miss those dinners at “Good Eats”


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Fellow XJTr ehhhh?

Stan Spadowski 02-05-2018 06:44 PM

Yes. Many beers guzzled at Good Eats


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UNSUBSCRIBE 02-05-2018 06:51 PM


Originally Posted by Stan Spadowski (Post 2520984)
Yes. Many beers guzzled at Good Eats


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Nice! Been a long time since Ive been there

tinman1 02-05-2018 07:22 PM


Originally Posted by Ed Force One (Post 2520941)
The plus side is that when your outbound flight is delayed, you can simply take a later van. Transportation services are usually not as flexible.

True, but you won't be able to get away with that under the new TA. Outbound flight delayed? You very well may get rescheduled to work or deadhead on another leg, which is leaving as soon as you get to the gate.

otter1 02-06-2018 05:16 AM

Everyone who believes this TA is cost neutral is wrong. At the roadshow the union had ALPA lawyers and financial analysts, charts, graphs, and facts. Basically this TA will cost 49% more than the last one. Spirit profitability will go down 35%. These numbers come from ALPA, not the company.

I was on the fence until the roadshow. The fears I'm reading are way overblown. The gains here are substantial.

Really the main thing I was disappointed in was the fact that Reserves post PBS will be unable to drop. A definite negative since your schedule will be locked in when you get it, absent a MFV usage once every 12 months.

But as a whole there are so many more positives. Gains in scope, pay, LTD, a DC plan, and an industry standard 12 year scale are all significant.

Just go to a roadshow. That's the best advice I can give anyone, as you can ask any tough question and get it answered.

NKSpilot 02-06-2018 05:21 AM


Originally Posted by otter1 (Post 2521153)
Everyone who believes this TA is cost neutral is wrong. At the roadshow the union had ALPA lawyers and financial analysts, charts, graphs, and facts. Basically this TA will cost 49% more than the last one. Spirit profitability will go down 35%. These numbers come from ALPA, not the company.

I was on the fence until the roadshow. The fears I'm reading are way overblown. The gains here are substantial.

Really the main thing I was disappointed in was the fact that Reserves post PBS will be unable to drop. A definite negative since your schedule will be locked in when you get it, absent a MFV usage once every 12 months.

But as a whole there are so many more positives. Gains in scope, pay, LTD, a DC plan, and an industry standard 12 year scale are all significant.

Just go to a roadshow. That's the best advice I can give anyone, as you can ask any tough question and get it answered.

Voice of reason/logic ^ thank you


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