Anyone seen this? ALPA comparison
 

This shows what our current contract is in comparison with JetBlue (among others) but I’m wondering why our union didn’t do something like this recently

http://www3.alpa.org/portals/alpa/je...rch%202015.pdf


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there's a 2018 version

http://www3.alpa.org/portals/alpa/je...Comparison.pdf

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last one our union posted was april 2017, not that long ago really

If this information was shown for Spirit people would realize how bad the current offer is.

Yep! Reading through the threads I see people defending this TA. If they would actually take the time to get others contract or use this comparison power point they would realize that TA1 at Spirit is not even close to industry standard.

works for me, what are you still using AOL?

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Thanks for that.
Numbers don't lie.
Low tier QOL and Low tier pay under this TA!
This is a monumental vote, that may haunt us for the rest of our NK tenures.

Have you watched the videos? If numbers don’t lie, than you’d be a yes vote.

By "numbers," are you referring to the analysis concluding that our 920M gain is offset by a cost savings to the company of a mere 12M per year?

So do you have better information than the ALPA financial analysts, lawyers, and the MEC and NC? Where is it?

Even if the numbers are way off as far as the cost savings to the company, it's still way less than our gain.

Ex... Rough numbers
12M year savings plus reduction of 200 pilots (alpa estimate) avg compensation top and bottom of the pay scale would be around 166/hr... Figure it out at 72 hours and you have 28.6M year...

Add them up and you get 40.6M post year cost savings to the company

5 year total savings ~ 203M

Gains in ta1 ~ 920M

Even if numbers are off substantially, there is no way its cost neutral.

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Get out of here with that logical thinking! :p

Watch the TA Q &A video and watch the committee handle the question about how cost neutral this contract is. It is one of the first questions. That notion is shot down very clearly by several people. I believe the number was for every $1 gained by the company there was $14 gained in the TA. 14 to 1. Not even in the neighborhood of cost neutral

You do realize that this is a comparison of our current contract, not the TA we are voting on?

funny, i hear the work rule adjustments are yet to be determined how much it will save them. so 14 to 1 is an 'estimate'-----we've been beat up screwed so many times, even sued, we're now supposed to trust that they won't take complete advantage of us with these massive changes in scheduling? fly it and grieve it

Well yeah. Any rational person realizes there is a little give or take in there. So 12-16 to 1? It could go up or down but not much. They have a good estimate based on other companies experiences. Look, change is not easy. Some big changes are happening so I understand the skepticism. How do you think you will be taken advantage of?

were you hear from the beginning of the last contract? that should answer your question...

No I wasn't but yeah I have heard stories and know what you are getting at. I can't really speak to that. There will be some disagreements in the language I am sure

it took years to get red/green and transition conflicts honored. look, i think we are giving up to much in section 25 and it will be exploited, especially in regard to 'rescheduling'. we need more protection for our quality of life. just my opinion and i'm probably in the minority

So, even if they are massively wrong and 14/1 isn't the truth... 10/1 is bad?

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It'll be exploited no matter what you or I want and no matter what ta we are taking about... That is why I pay dues year round, not just in negotiations. Do I trust our union to do it right, maybe... That's why I try to be involved. Be bitter! Please, by all means be angry and bitter. It makes my job easier when the union is on their toes. They are less likely to f up anything when you and I are watching everything and they know it.

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I do realize that. Take proposed TA and ingest data and work rules and see what it says. All it does is moves the massive gap a little closer. It doesent make you industry “standard or average”. It still makes Spirit bottom in most categories of the contract.

A little closer? Try a lot.

A lot closer for about 2 years, then back to the bottom.

Ok so let’s say no wait another year to be even farther behind without the protections being offered. It’s time to start the clock for the next ta

Pure FUD and say it takes a year to get a 4 year contract? Clock would still timeout in 2023 if you’re worried about a new lanyard that year.

Hahahaha. 4 year contract, wake up