Health insurance for new hires
 

Anyone have info on this?

None for the first three months. Either use COBRA from your last job for a month or get a catastrophic coverage plan for a month and then you have Spirit’s COBRA for the remaining two months. If you get sick you can sign up with a 60 day look back. Don’t get sick and don’t pay a dime. Imperfect work around, but there it is.

This is effing embarrasing and should be illegal.(not directed at you FNGFO).

You don’t get any for 90 days, it’s an embarrassment and it’s even worse they didn’t fix it in the new ta. Since you would be new if the ta passes you also can’t get on the pos b as it would have to be grandfathered in.


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Continental used to have a 6 month waiting period. This is totally LEGAL for the company to do. Does it suck? Yes. Did it affect me? Yes. Should we waste negotiating capital on new hires that aren’t even on property? Or first year guys that can’t even vote? The answer is NO.
Why? It’s up to the company to create attractive first year conditions and recruit new hires. Every dollar spent on first year guys is a dollar that comes off something else. I agree that it’s a distasteful reality, but so is a member voting yes/no based on emotion and not objectivity.

The company is never going to do that. Imo we have to look out for each other and we needed to do the right thing here.

I think they try to run the state of California like that.

That’s a nice utopian viewpoint and I actually do like it. But this group, whether it’s the company or the individual Pilots, will never do that. Just look around. There are an unbelievable number of guys/girls here that will step over you to grab something for themselves. I see it all the time and I’m sure you do too.
The insurance for new hires is a distasteful reality, but it’s the company’s problem and only the company’s problem.

The reason it is only the company's problem is because we didn't make it our problem. I think it should have been part of the survey (and forgive me if it was, but I don't remember seeing it), and the survey result should have been available to the pilot group. Most pilots against sponsoring first year: fine I won't complain, but to suggest it is never our problem without asking if we want to make it our problem is wrong. (and no, I am not in California)

I was pretty shocked that training pay and no healthcare for 90 days made it to the TA. I guess I had wrongfully assumes that there was no way those things would stay.

Same here. I thought those things might make it in and things would change.
Thought about applying, but...

Ya know, the same thing was said for the regionals back when I was getting into the industry and now those guys are getting five figure bonuses and making more money than I ever have at any point in my career (even today as I fly an airbus for 30k/year), and I came out of flight school almost a decade ago. So yeah not to sound cold, but I'm glad the union isn't wasting negotiating capital on this. It really is a dangerous game because when the staffing crunch actually hits at our level you will see astronomical bonuses and first year FOs making that of junior CAs. I've already seen that once in my career and am not interested in seeing it again.

The reason you’re making that money is because those before you chose to pull the ladder up behind them. Now you are advocating the same behavior. Why should good pilots have to walk a mile in my shoes? My shoes are garbage, I wouldn’t want anyone to walk in them if I could prevent it.

Also, I don’t know if new hire bonuses are prohibited here without addressing the entire pay scale. If they aren’t I would’ve expected Spirit would’ve used them by now to keep the mins up. Another question to my roadshow list. They shouldn’t be able to use them imo.

I'm not saying I'm a fan of it, but I used facts to show you what has historically happened and is still happening at the precursory level to us. I can pull W2s to show you the staggering difference if you really want.

I believe you. We just see the solution differently. That’s ok

If history is any indicator, the problem will solve itself without the expense of our negotiating capital.

Why begrudge someone for being able to make some money in a situation that didn’t pay for you. I’m so happy for those guys making liveable wages at the regionals, great! Why you want others to suffer because you did seems pathetic.

Spirit = Ladder up! "I've got mine screw you the company will have to fix it." Spoken by the true professionals at Spirit! :mad:

You mean every airline in the history of aviation until very recently right???

Except Hawaiian and UPS everyone has been making it right. This isn’t entry level. Guys coming to Spirit should be done paying dues

The problem is Spirit management has a regional mentality. I think they want to run Spirit like a Regional, get as many pilots to come over at the lower rate. Then when the pool of new hires runs dry they will offer some type of bonus or an LOA to get new hire classes filled.

Health insurance for new hires
 

THIS! I see so much of it the pulling up of the ladder, and it annoys me, esp when it is done by people who have been in the industry only a few years and expect something. I’ve been furloughed, by “backflows” after 9/11 then had the flow taken away altogether and I still won’t pull the ladder up behind me, there's no reason not to watch out for junior folks.



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Glad someone else gets it. I'm not saying I want pull up the proverbial ladder, but I sure as hell don't want to be making less than the pilots under me on the seniority list. And yes that does happen. It is simple supply and demand economics. This place is a glorified regional, and when the classes start drying up the money will come out.

You don't have to like it, but it is the truth. You've got to look out for number one because these companies don't give a rat's arse about you.

It is the “looking out for numero uno” attitude that makes us easy prey. Management knows your greed and you are their puppet. Look outside your little circle and bring everyone to the top of the hill, you’ll be there as well.

Don’t act like new hires got totally passed over. They finish training with an accumalted sick bank and will earn more upon completion of training than anyone prior, and they can take a personal medical leave after 90 days instead of 12 months.

If that’s not enough to attract, let the company come back to the table.

My FO says, “ then by all means, tell him to keep me at 38 bucks an hour, that’ll help”.

“Your” FO?
I kid.

I always thought it was funny when guys use a possessive when describing a colleague

But he is MY colleague....