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Qotsaautopilot 03-15-2018 03:16 PM

Open time coverage, rescheduling, XY lists
 
So is all the open time getting covered now? Three big winter storms in the last two weeks and no melt down. Last March my phone rang off the hook almost daily from Crew scheduling looking to cover flights. It looks like now most everything is getting covered by reserves and very few last minute hand built pairings popping up. I don’t have flica alerts set up but just from checking open time it seems that way.

Have people been getting called on the X and Y lists or is everything just going out at straight pay as flica adds?

Also, if they are using the X Y lists how can we tell if someone gets called and that they go from seniority to reshuffled on a premium credit basis?

Gjn290 03-15-2018 03:35 PM

I got junior manned the beginning of this month. So did a bunch of people I know. We don’t have that big of a presence in that part of the country compared to most other airlines so our issues would be minimal.

YourMom 03-15-2018 03:48 PM

I'm not a fan of straight pay on days off. I understand swapping for more credit. If we all sign up for the x/y lists and avoid the temptations of straight pickups we all get 200%. On another note we need to start learning how to post and use reserve trades as this could be our only salvation to the new contract and not being able to drop reserve days as easily.

Qotsaautopilot 03-15-2018 04:03 PM


Originally Posted by Gjn290 (Post 2551564)
I got junior manned the beginning of this month. So did a bunch of people I know. We don’t have that big of a presence in that part of the country compared to most other airlines so our issues would be minimal.

Yeah that was probably a function of transition conflicts and the X Y list not in place yet. Last year in March my phone rang all month long.

My guess is we either have better staffing this year allowing better rsv coverage, or the new rescheduling language is being used well by scheduling and getting the fires out out, or the currently non-transparent X and Y list calls aren’t being reshuffled according to premium credit.

Or people are just happy with their new pay and it’s getting straight pickups from flica.

Gjn290 03-15-2018 04:30 PM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2551573)
Yeah that was probably a function of transition conflicts and the X Y list not in place yet. Last year in March my phone rang all month long.

My guess is we either have better staffing this year allowing better rsv coverage, or the new rescheduling language is being used well by scheduling and getting the fires out out, or the currently non-transparent X and Y list calls aren’t being reshuffled according to premium credit.

Or people are just happy with their new pay and it’s getting straight pickups from flica.

My guess is better staffing and people picking up.

balakay 03-16-2018 09:37 AM

People picking up during an IROP has been an odd thing as scheduling has the ability to pick up trips withing the 48 hours locked out. I used to be able to pick up a two day, one leg each day with a DH on day 2 worth 13:30. Now, easy trips like that are locked out for reserve utilization. I get they always owned those trips, but why allow it pre TA and now lock it out? I would think if it gets covered without burning a RSV pilot, then all the better :confused:

Qotsaautopilot 03-16-2018 09:44 AM


Originally Posted by balakay (Post 2552056)
People picking up during an IROP has been an odd thing as scheduling has the ability to pick up trips withing the 48 hours locked out. I used to be able to pick up a two day, one leg each day with a DH on day 2 worth 13:30. Now, easy trips like that are locked out for reserve utilization. I get they always owned those trips, but why allow it pre TA and now lock it out? I would think if it gets covered without burning a RSV pilot, then all the better :confused:

After 12:00 two days before you could never pick up on flica. If you were calling and they were giving it to you it was against the contract. Why pick up at straight pay anyway? Wait for 200%. X Y

balakay 03-16-2018 11:12 AM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2552063)
After 12:00 two days before you could never pick up on flica. If you were calling and they were giving it to you it was against the contract. Why pick up at straight pay anyway? Wait for 200%. X Y

Not necessarily......Pre T/A there were times you were able to pick up open time within the 48 hour mark.

So why pick up at straight pay? Im answering this in a pre-TA scenario.....In that in the example above, it was about who was first to get an easy trip with one leg that credited what normally is 3 days. Do you think that would have even made it to schedulers calling for premium pay? It wouldn't even make it to the 200% call mark. Now, that being said, those were far and few between--just like JA calls when you are 33% in base.

Now, post TA...its a moot point as the ability to pick up within 48 is locked out and the X/ list has made it a fair system overall

YourMom 03-16-2018 05:45 PM

So with the new contract we cannot pick up within 48 hours?

tinman1 03-16-2018 05:46 PM


Originally Posted by balakay (Post 2552141)
Not necessarily......Pre T/A there were times you were able to pick up open time within the 48 hour mark.

Really??? When did that ever happen?


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