Only 4 upgrades in latest system bid?
 

I thought we were told 24 a month for the foreseeable future and now this latest bid has 4. Is this because of them needing bodies in seats for the busy summer season?


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You actually believed what management told you? Must be new here...


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I thought it was the union who said this.


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Honestly I don’t know who said it but if it was the union they couldn’t have made that number up arbitrarily it would have come from the company. The company is now probably reacting to the new contract and ultimately we will need less pilots because of pbs. Personally it seems short sighted with summer coming, but what do I know?


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Union said they expected a 90 day delay in an individuals upgrade time associated with the implementation of pbs. The question that they never gave an answer on was the effect of the change to transition prior to pbs. Now we know.

Nope. You're way off base. Has to do with summer staffing. Large number upgrades will resume after the high season. Likely September. 90 day hiatus associated with PBS implementation will happen at that time.

Along with the 737 order?

To clarify, 90 day hiatus on upgrades will happen next year when PBS is implemented. Not before.

I said 90 day delay with implementation of pbs. Did you miss that part? This slow down might be training department related for summer but also look at the reserve grid for May. They are realizing the staffing levels for the new transition language.

Sure, they spent the past 9 months prior to the new contract staffing up for an unknown variable. The staffing was already set to be higher. This didn't happen over 2 months.

Sorry I said anything. You know all

Read the notes. It says dates and numbers of upgrades TBA. I'm sure it'll be more than 4.

Read the notes even further, It says July is TBD. June CUG is what is covered in this bid and it's 4.

Look at all the bid vacancy bulletins from the past. They all say CUG for the next month is TBD.

You're right, my bad. I need to stop posting on here lol....

No transition conflict and lots of guys picking up straight pay adds and no rsv checkerboards. We are staffed it seems. Not many planes coming compared to the first quarter.

RSV may start going senior.

^^^
If senior pilots like to fly...
As a middle seniority RES CA, I flew more in April than any other month in the last several years.
I never "checker boarded" my schedule in the past!

I worked my balls off on reserve last summer in FLL. Bid reserve in April in DFW just to get that sweet transition drop and only got used a handful of days. Last week I was an R11 and they only used me one out of six days on. I honestly thought they had forgotten about me.

This same thing happened at the same time last year. We were told 16 upgrades per month but it dropped to 6 over the summer. September was when the number jumped back up. I’m not saying the same will happen this year because I would only be guessing. But based on previous experience this is just business as usual.

The flying block hours went up to ~50,000 hrs for the summer, all hands on deck! I've talked to my guys in training, CUG is "slowing" for the next couple months and will go "up" after the summer. This isn't my first 121 gig so I only believe what I see. 4 isn't go.

We're taking only one aircraft delivery in Q2 and only 2 in Q3. Add to that the summer push and you have to expect a modest upgrade schedule. Q4 growth currently has 7 aircraft according to the fleet plan so I'd expect training to ramp back up as we approach fall.

Ive only worked 2 days this month on R11. Also got a sweet X list trip that subsequently cxld. 90hrs with under 3hrs of block. I worked more when I checkerboarded lol.

For those unaware this is sarcasm, lol

So whats the reality of your April schedule?

NC stated that company wide average rsv utilization pre CBA 2018 was about 30ish hrs. I imagine March and April was similar with work rules having only small changes. Moving into May and forward with the new contract one would expect that average block per month to actually go down for rsv with the rescheduling of line holders and no transition conflict for lineholders. Now without transition conflict or middle drops for rsv it creates more availability for each rsv which might translate into more block per month. Also, with the company adjusting their hiring and upgrade plan for the new staffing requirements it could up utilization of rsv.

Ive heard reports of both depending on base, seat, and RAP. Rsv not getting used at all because of lineholders gobbling up open time at straight pay and I’ve also heard that March and April some rsv got used more than they ever have before.

Keep in mind also that time balancing is no longer in effect; it’s all seniority now (junior getting the call first, unless on the ‘call me first’ list). April was my highest month ever on reserve (as Captain or FO).

Correct but only up to 72hrs. If a rsv is going to break guarantee with an assignment they can assign it to a more senior pilot at schedulings discretion.

Also, at our current size I imagine it’s not incredibly common to have multiple guys on the same RAP with the same number of days available. Only after that does seniority come into play for the assignment.

Yeah......:rolleyes:

I’d imagine it differently. Case in point, my April flying. ;)
That said, I commute on reserve, so I actually like flying, the quality of the trips in open time though..... :(

Yeah I’d bet it’s base and seat and rap specific. Honestly my hope on rsv if they were going to fly me was to get the most unproductive trip possible. Chances of breaking guarantee are so slim I’d rather just do one leg days with long overnights. As a lineholder that all changes. Productivity baby. Three 25hr four days or back to back two day trips would we ideal. 75hrs 18-19 days off would be ideal. Rsv- who cares it’s 72hrs for 12-13 days off anyway