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Old 06-29-2018, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by 319wisperer View Post
Bottom line is that we could have told them where to shove it. We made the final play with our vote.


We could and maybe should have, but where would we be now? I really think the NMB would have put us back on ice and left to deal with other airlines (Frontier/JetBlue). It’s all a guess on what may have happened but I don’t think we’d have an industry leading contract right now either way...


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Old 06-29-2018, 11:36 AM
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What a BS statement and yes, I'm calling you out on it. If you are so Democrats=labor friendly and Republicans=anti-labor, then explain how a DEMOCRAT PRESIDENT willfully sends American Airline pilots back to work with a stroke of his pen? Key word, "willfully" whereas he could have let market forces dictate when bargaining would resume. AND......it wasn't even the NMB-so keep that in mind.



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And Spirit pilots were released to strike under a democratic president in 2010. The Democrats (especially under a centrist/right, corporate friendly Clinton) haven’t always been labor’s best friend, but they are certainly more labor friendly than Republicans. Look, the fact is that pilots just aren’t released to strike all that often. If there is a 25% chance of being released to strike with a Democrat in the White House, then there is a 1% chance of being released with Republican in the White House. I’ll take my chances with a Democratic administration all day long given the alternative.

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Old 06-29-2018, 12:29 PM
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Exactly. And if you actually go and do a little reading on it the Republican Party the fact that they are anti-union is well established and actually listed under the GOP published idiologies/policy.
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Old 06-29-2018, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by BKbigfish View Post
And Spirit pilots were released to strike under a democratic president in 2010. The Democrats (especially under a centrist/right, corporate friendly Clinton) haven’t always been labor’s best friend, but they are certainly more labor friendly than Republicans. Look, the fact is that pilots just aren’t released to strike all that often. If there is a 25% chance of being released to strike with a Democrat in the White House, then there is a 1% chance of being released with Republican in the White House. I’ll take my chances with a Democratic administration all day long given the alternative.

Again, I'm not looking for a drag out mono-e-mono fight. We're all in this together. Just pointing to a blanket statement that can't be proven one way or the other because there is a plethora of items that have gone against labor or for labor from both sides of the aisle. Elected leaders do what's in their best interest for them to be re-elected, no necessarily what is good or in the best interest for any one group. But then you throw out statistics like "25% chance......, then there is a 1% chance...." I'm gonna call you on that one and ask to back that up with some data. Otherwise, I'll chalk it up to personal opinion.
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Old 06-29-2018, 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by balakay View Post
Again, I'm not looking for a drag out mono-e-mono fight. We're all in this together. Just pointing to a blanket statement that can't be proven one way or the other because there is a plethora of items that have gone against labor or for labor from both sides of the aisle. Elected leaders do what's in their best interest for them to be re-elected, no necessarily what is good or in the best interest for any one group. But then you throw out statistics like "25% chance......, then there is a 1% chance...." I'm gonna call you on that one and ask to back that up with some data. Otherwise, I'll chalk it up to personal opinion.
I assumed this was clear but those obviously aren’t actual statistics... I was simply using arbitrary numbers to say what the Republican Party routinely boasts about as a key platform issue. They are vehemently anti-union and proud of it. The point that I was attempting to make was as pilots we are unlikely to be released to strike in any situation, even more so if a Republican is sitting in the White House. To deny this reality is just silly.
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Old 06-29-2018, 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by BKbigfish View Post
I assumed this was clear but those obviously aren’t actual statistics... I was simply using arbitrary numbers to say what the Republican Party routinely boasts about as a key platform issue. They are vehemently anti-union and proud of it. The point that I was attempting to make was as pilots we are unlikely to be released to strike in any situation, even more so if a Republican is sitting in the White House. To deny this reality is just silly.
Let’s go back to the 80’s and see if what your saying is true.

Airline strikes With a Republican: Continental, United, Eastern, Comair, NWA Mechanics.

Airlines strikes with a Democrat: Spirit.
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Old 06-30-2018, 01:11 AM
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Don’t forget the 11,000 air traffic controllers Regan fired for going on strike.
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Originally Posted by Gjn290 View Post
Let’s go back to the 80’s and see if what your saying is true.

Airline strikes With a Republican: Continental, United, Eastern, Comair, NWA Mechanics.

Airlines strikes with a Democrat: Spirit.
Northwest, 1998
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Northwest, 1998
Comair was early 2001.
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Old 06-30-2018, 05:00 AM
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Seriously? You right leaning M F er’s can’t just admit that the party you vote for actively works against labor unions? You’re going to seriously pull the “both parties are equally as bad” BS? Apologies but my frustration is showing only because I used to be one of you...
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