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astral 10-15-2018 09:43 PM

Is PBS coming in March?
 
I hear the March 2019 bidding will be on PBS.
AQP by summertime?
Anyone care to elaborate, confirm or deny?

Sherpa 10-16-2018 04:44 AM

That’s a big 10-4.

Ducttape 10-16-2018 07:35 AM

The company cant afford to stall out PBS implementation, and so far, they have not stalled it a bit. They NEED PBS staffing to be set before going into spring break and summer time flying. Its not like they can say "If we can get it by March, we will, if not, no big deal". Their staffing plan is dependent on PBS being effective by the increase of block hours.

When has the company EVER been cooperative in anything dealing with pilot negotiations? But look at this, they seem to be going right along with us on the PBS details. Fine by me, bring on the 3.5 rig and slight increase to the duty period...and say your final goodbyes to the reserve drops.

YourMom 10-16-2018 08:50 AM

RIP reserve drops, this makes me cry. Welcome sickcations!

Deathwish 10-16-2018 08:52 AM

Is that even possible? I thought there was a trial period after pbs was finalized where actual bidding was done through lines and pbs was available for people to practice and learn with but not actually for bidding. I would expect pbs required staffing wouldn’t happen until the end of that period which would be after the summer. I may have misunderstood the rollout process

AllOva736 10-16-2018 09:05 AM


Originally Posted by Deathwish (Post 2692156)
Is that even possible? I thought there was a trial period after pbs was finalized where actual bidding was done through lines and pbs was available for people to practice and learn with but not actually for bidding. I would expect pbs required staffing wouldn’t happen until the end of that period which would be after the summer. I may have misunderstood the rollout process

You're right. They should have a 2 or 3 month parallel bid before we fully switch to PBS. So maybe they'll start that in December?

elmetal 10-16-2018 09:15 AM


Originally Posted by AllOva736 (Post 2692173)
You're right. They should have a 2 or 3 month parallel bid before we fully switch to PBS. So maybe they'll start that in December?

I wont expect the parallel bidding until bidding for jan/feb schedules

Silver02ex 10-16-2018 10:32 AM


Originally Posted by Deathwish (Post 2692156)
Is that even possible? I thought there was a trial period after pbs was finalized where actual bidding was done through lines and pbs was available for people to practice and learn with but not actually for bidding. I would expect pbs required staffing wouldn’t happen until the end of that period which would be after the summer. I may have misunderstood the rollout process

I also assumed that there would be some sort of a parallel bidding system for 3-4 months, were we still use line bidding for line award, but bid using PBS to compare the 2.

Ducttape 10-16-2018 10:50 AM

Update a week ago was NavBlue trains pilot trainers down in FLL in either December or early January. This will allow the trainers to be in crew rooms for the week January 14-20.

What’s unsure is when the parallel bidding would begin.

elmetal 10-16-2018 04:02 PM


Originally Posted by Ducttape (Post 2692237)
Update a week ago was NavBlue trains pilot trainers down in FLL in either December or early January. This will allow the trainers to be in crew rooms for the week January 14-20.

What’s unsure is when the parallel bidding would begin.

If they're there to begin sending people to train end of jan, one can assume it's for the march bid (which happens early feb)

But all speculation of course

astral 10-17-2018 04:11 PM

Can't say it's true...
Has anyone heard the newest rumor that company is stalling on PBS because they do not want the rigs ?

dn_wisconsin 10-17-2018 05:42 PM


Originally Posted by astral (Post 2693164)
Can't say it's true...
Has anyone heard the newest rumor that company is stalling on PBS because they do not want the rigs ?

Doesn't matter if they want them or not. We get them per the contract after one year from when the vendor was chosen. The vendor was chosen in June or July (can't remember) and if we aren't even running parallel now we won't go life until at least march or April. They're going to stall for 1-2 months? Ok.

Seriously, how many guys voted but had no idea what they voted for?

Didn't the last union email also talk about how smoothly the JPWG was hammering things out?

astral 10-17-2018 11:20 PM

The rigs are coming regardless, according to the agreement...
Anyone else heard that the company does not want PBS?
Isn't Allegiant going through something similar and voted to strike?


"Seriously, how many guys voted but had no idea what they voted for?"
If they knew what they were voting for, this POS would have never passed!

elmetal 10-18-2018 05:35 AM

That's a baseless rumor. I correspond with the JPWG at least once a month and so far every one of their responses is "Things are moving at an unexpected pace" as if they didn't realize the company would be going so well with everything. Parallel bidding will be here by march at the latest.

dn_wisconsin 10-18-2018 07:31 AM


Originally Posted by astral (Post 2693388)
The rigs are coming regardless, according to the agreement...
Anyone else heard that the company does not want PBS?
Isn't Allegiant going through something similar and voted to strike?


"Seriously, how many guys voted but had no idea what they voted for?"
If they knew what they were voting for, this POS would have never passed!

Where do you get your info from? Allegiant voted to strike? Allegiant got their contract last year. If there's a labor dispute over the language it will be taken to arbitration.

Might be a good time to brush up on the railway labor act. Or maybe you're just trolling us?

TrojanCMH 10-18-2018 08:28 AM


Originally Posted by dn_wisconsin (Post 2693552)
Where do you get your info from? Allegiant voted to strike? Allegiant got their contract last year. If there's a labor dispute over the language it will be taken to arbitration.

Might be a good time to brush up on the railway labor act. Or maybe you're just trolling us?

He's right. Allegiant's pilot group did vote to authorize a strike because they don't agree with the way their company is implementing the new contract. I don't know all the details but it's true.

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/a...e-93-vote.html

astral 10-18-2018 09:24 AM


Originally Posted by elmetal (Post 2693475)
"Things are moving at an unexpected pace" as if they didn't realize the company would be going so well with everything. Parallel bidding will be here by march at the latest.

Thank you for that info elmetal.


Originally Posted by TrojanCMH (Post 2693602)
He's right. Allegiant's pilot group did vote to authorize a strike because they don't agree with the way their company is implementing the new contract. I don't know all the details but it's true.

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/a...e-93-vote.html

Thanks TrojanCMH.

Appreciate the informative responses.

RgrMurdock 10-18-2018 07:20 PM


Originally Posted by astral (Post 2693634)
Thank you for that info elmetal.


Thanks TrojanCMH.

Appreciate the informative responses.


They can vote to authorize a strike all they want. Not going to happen legally. This will all go to arbitration.

FLYBOYMATTHEW 10-18-2018 10:40 PM

When was the last time this company stuck to a planned timeline?

CAirBear 10-20-2018 01:41 PM


Originally Posted by dn_wisconsin (Post 2693552)
Where do you get your info from? Allegiant voted to strike? Allegiant got their contract last year. If there's a labor dispute over the language it will be taken to arbitration.

Might be a good time to brush up on the railway labor act. Or maybe you're just trolling us?

This. All god damn day. It’s hilarious you think because Spirit signed a CBA that has a “hard date” for PBS that it’s going to happen by said date of implementation.

astral 10-21-2018 01:07 AM

^^
;)

yes !


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