2 words you never want to hear from the Union
 

Well, Stuart just dropped an audio message with the 2 words no worker ever wants to hear, "Cautiously Optimistic."

I've heard that phrase numerous times in my career and never once has it turned out well.

Oh no cautiously optimistic that PBS will be implemented in April, time to freak out!!!!!

Drama level 1,000

Thank you. If he said “ cautiously optimistic “ about having a job next week, I might be more hysterical.

Pretty sure I just read the dumbest thread start I’ve ever seen.

I'm cautiously optimistic that i'm going fishing next week.

I hope in Mexico and not Minnesota.

Ice fishing. Have you no soul? :cool:

I meant catfishing :D

You must be new :)

You're totally right.

I also voted no, so it's obvious that I'm a complete and utter moron who hasn't been an airline pilot for almost 20 years.

Sorry to have disturbed you.


P.S. I hope I'm wrong. It's not like I want our QOL to erode. It's just that hearing that phrase from our Union Leader does not fill me with sunshine and rainbows.

I just wondered what being cautiously optimistic about bidding on PBS in April sent you to your quality of life is about to be gone. It sounded like you read cautiously optimistic and just stopped reading and got on APC as fast as possible.

Well, I *listened* to it, as it was an audio message. (I guess you weren't paying attention to your emails.)

As it was less than 3 minutes long, I was able to resist the immediate urge to jump on the forums and through sheer willpower finished the entire message first.

I then thought about what he said. I remembered everything that's happened in my 19 plus years as a 121 pilot. And yes, how many times I've heard that phrase. I remembered what kind of management we have at Spirit. I remembered how perfectly we were manipulated into a "management friendly" Contract '18. And I assumed that we are being led into a very "management friendly" set of PBS work rules.

I have to tend to agree with this....I hope I am wrong.

Have you talked to any of the JPWG guys? Have you ever used PBS?

I have no reason to believe we are being led astray. I have used PBS in the past and having been part of the representation that deal with said PBS, I have a fairly good understanding of how PBS runs and what I believe is or isn't important. I've talked with 2 of the JPWG guys extensively, for months now (they're sick of me I know it), and I am confident we're gonna be just fine.

I have been wondering why PBS was so important for the company. We will be fine but do think this was a big win for the company. I’m already spending all my free time on PBS when I have better things to do such as sleep.

Then you're doing it wrong. Line bidding = hours of sorting (or even 30 minutes) through garbage pre-built lines. A good pbs bid is already done and you just tweak some specific pairings in 10 minutes and you're done.

Of course you're spending time now, you're learning a new system. Line bidding is archaic and it's the past for us now, the anti-pbs mantra needs to go. New contract is here and so is PBS. There's no going back.

I guess you have heard of “sorted Lines” in Flica for your line bidding.

I’m not trying to dis on PBS at all. But I hear a lot of guys that complain about “spending hours” on working on their lines when all you have to do is use the “sorted lines” option in Flica and it does most of the work for you. Then maybe a little tweaking by you.

Has there been any mention of when we’re going to see the pbs language with regards to unstacking, threshold limits, how reserve bidding will work for specific RAP periods, etc.?

It’s silly to be doing mock bidding unless these types of details have been worked out.

RAP has already been talked about in the video plus the PDF they sent on PBS. Seems pretty straight forward to me.

Used it many a times. PBS is WAY easier. And quicker.

You clearly haven’t done any reading or watched the presentation video.

Basically if you preference any single day off and that day already has coverage you will have your entire month booted to another rap. So if you want a specific rap or long call you have to give the program a blank slate to build your month on or risk getting a garbage rap

that's not exactly how it works. Your scenario paints the picture that there can only be one R11 per calendar day, one R3 per calendar day etc.

That being said, yes your day choices will affect your RAP award and not the other way around (it takes your day requests FIRST then your RAP request.) You can't say: I'd rather to R11 even if you have to disregard my day off requests, which is kind of unfortunate in a way.

You’re second paragraph is exactly what I said. So if the system awards all the days on and off I want and I tell it I want R11 (RIP) and it can award R11 on all of my preferenced days but one, I’m getting dreaded R3 (insert most hated RAP) for the entire month. Even though I could have had R11 on all but one day. Instead of giving me R11 on all but one day and R11 on one less desirable day, it’s going to give me that one day I wanted along with all the others perhaps and give me R3 for all of them. I’d much rather 99% of the days I want and R11 than 100% of the days I want and R3. That’s more than unfortunate that’s pure trash.

Am I right about this? This is how it was explained to me.

Not a PBS expert, but I did just watch the video....

Could you have at the end of your first bid group -if awarded R”I don’t wan’t” clear bids and goto next group, and have a next group with slgtly different days?

How long is the video? Been flying so I haven’t watched it yet.

Bout an hour and a half.

You're wrong

Yes filler

I assume so yes. But you just don’t know which single day might be the one to get you.

You cannot say: If I don't get LCR, go to next group

To try different days. It has to do with concurrent bidding and some other mumbo jumbo but apparently it cannot be done. which is .......