Spirit “Forgot” to pay new per diem rates
 

Is that a joke? They didn’t forget. It was deliberate! They don’t pay until someone notices. Same thing they did with our health insurance for which they still have our two years of over payments. They purposely don’t pay our hotels. They deny contractually obligated rigs. It’s how they do business. They didn’t forget!

Agreed, it's pathetic and getting really old.

What ever happened with the overpayments? Did they ever make the employees whole?

This is unfortunately how this place is run. I have no idea why so many people drink the cool-aid here.

I think that total I was shorted was like $3.00. So they probably saved $6k with this oversight. Which is to say that the panties in a wad over this is probably not called for. It’s far more likely that someone dropped that extra penny or whatever it is when entering data than some nefarious plane to save $6k. Or $10k if it’s 2 pennies.

This place nets about $1M a day. Put it in perspective.

No not yet. I have not seen the payment.

It is not necessary to ascribe to malice that which can be explained satisfactorily by incompetence or stupidity.

:D

And we're going to do what about it?

"Positive rate, gear up" is my guess!

It’s the principal. It took us 6 weeks to notice. What if it had taken two years. They do it as long as they can get away with. I’ve had hotels literally tell me they won’t give me a room on short notice because spirit doesn’t pay the bills. We had to do a union audit of the healthcare to find out we were paying 7% increases when the cost of the plans werent going up 7% or more. Yet the company took our money and have corrected the mistake on our last pay check but still have our two years of overpayments. And they would’ve kept our money if we weren’t unionized and able to do our own audit. This per diem thing is no mistake.

Why don’t they want to go to expedited arbitration on this pbs issue? We can lose or gain just the same is them. The answer: they just don’t want to pay the rigs the agreed to so they want to stall and keep our money as long as possible with no consequence. But hey all the station managers got to rah rah at the C-suite dressing up as funny characters and dance on stage. “Culture”

You’re right. And one of the reasons the RLA favors the company. We could grieve it if they chose not to pay and when they were forced to pay we would’ve been whole and there would be no consequence to the company.

I don’t pretend to think that other airline managements love their pilots but this management is something else in the lengths they go to save money on an already bottom CBA that affords them an industry leading cost advantage. It’s just disrespect.

yeah, Hopefully DL, AA, UAL all get amazing new contracts and no one will come here anymore and people will leave. I'm updating my apps again. No point to upgrade here anymore and sit reserve forever, my AA buddy makes more in total comp. as 4 year FO than our 6 year CAs and its only going to get further apart. This airline is really going to struggle to grow in the next few years, unless they really up the ante. but hey! here's a high five!


also, p.s. last article about spirit growth and new order did say that Uncle Teddy bear said announcement might not be this summer but Q4 this year....

also, p.s. last article about spirit growth and new order did say that Uncle Teddy bear said announcement might not be this summer but Q4 this year....[/QUOTE]


Which article?

What equipment is your friend flying?

I’m with you on PBS rigs and the other stuff, but this is such a small amount of money and easily explained by incompetence over malfeasance. And literally 99.9% of the pilot group missed nary a cent.

Some things deserve rants and some things deserve we rolls. This is the latter.

Your buddy may make more, but ask him about domestic work rules. AA rules are atrocious. I mean bad. I have friends who have “flowed”’ and, while they are happy and make more, are also pretty damn surprised by a lot.

When I got on here I was up front on AA out of PHX. I told him I was staring NK in a couple weeks. First thing out of his mouth was “excellent” they have tremendous work rules and QOL. He told me stuff that was hard to believe concerning AA domestic rules. He didn’t elaborate but said the International AA guys it was quite different for. I can’t speak for United or Delta, but I’m still certain you can’t manipulate your schedules and drop as freely as you do here.

I get it’s a legacy and it has more to offer equipment/flying wise etc, but to me the value here is your QOL and life style. My friends at Spirit have absolutely zero stress getting time off for anything. I have one friend that vacations 4/6 times a year. You drop one trip and have over a week off (worst case). There is a hell of a lot to be said for lifestyle.

To me, going to a legacy that offering $20-30K more a year, but not giving you the ability to drop and freely live your life isn’t worth it. I came here for QOL. Nearly everyone in my class did for the same reason.

Everyone has different priorities.

It’s A LOT more than $20-30k and we gave a lot of our qol in this contract. Spirit management loves the qol argument for paying us less.

If it’s incompetence is it acceptable? Were our healthcare overpayments for two years incompetence or theft?

The track record isn’t one of incompetence. It’s one of calculated moves to stick it to the pilots in an effort to save money no matter what. They do it to us, they do it to vendors. It’s a pattern. Am I going to lose sleep over 5 cents in per diem over a month and a half? No but it was contractually agreed upon and I expect follow through. It’s not about the per diem, it’s that it’s just one more thing and using the word “forgot” is irritating. They didn’t forget.

Update: PBS MOU is agreed upon without arbitration. Hopefully that’s a good sign. Now we get to see what’s in it.

Yeah. They forgot unless you really think someone was sitting in Miramar going “...Bwahahahaha, we’ll job them out if two to maybe three dollars!! Diabolical”. Sorry. That doesn’t pass muster. Other points you made? Yup. This? No.

Again. Eye roll worthy. Not worth a rant.

anyone with the Pos2B was massively overcharged, i am personally owed almost $1500

They better not tax it as additional income

I’m not talking about that or the rigs. Both are BS. This is so little money that literally no one missed it, and to try and claim that they were trying to cheat each member of the pilot group out of pocket change is asinine.

Again, it’s much easier to assign stupidity over malfeasance on this case.

Spirit “Forgot” to pay new per diem rates
 

That is just it. Every time it is always “Just” something. It is just the health insurance premiums. It is just the rigs. It is just the per diem pay. It is always “Just” something. Qotsaautopilot is justified.


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No, he’s not. The rigs issue is saving the company $3-5M a month. That’s in no way “just” something. The premiums issue is costing certain individuals over $1k. That’s not “just” something.

Now add up your total per diem missed and let me know what the number is. And then try to justify any kind of righteous anger over it. It’s literally a couple of bucks.

I'm not taking the company's side but I have always been concerned with their incompetence and poor organizational capabilities,...In other words I think it's entirely possible they simply forgot. It takes a certain amount of intelligence to be successfully devious. You guys may be giving them more credit than they deserve.

I did not get the overpayment from the medical premiums on my check today. Anyone get it?

I didn’t get it either, but that’s ok I’m sure it’s just an “oversight” [emoji849]


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you were not supposed to get it today. i spoke to lec a week ago, the company has not even begun to calculate the refunds for this as it was not just the pilots affected. the 4/30 check with have the per diem correction

No one claimed that was acceptable, but I see that a hammer is the only tool many have in their kit.

This is starting again? Already.....? I wish you the best, and please. Just leave. Update your app.

Are you really trying? Update your times, gather recs and GTFO.

Because I can’t handle another round of “this place sucks, I hope everyone quits.” Except me... “I would leave if I were younger, you should leave.”

Please DFW go to the bottom of whatever list makes you feel like a man.

One Miiiillion doooooollars!!!!

High Five Bro

The “high five” crap is overdone too BTW. Just like the rest of your post. Old news buddy.

Same as us. Bus. 160/hr senior FO vs 204 CA here reserve

Vegas is all red now. Unless you can drop in IOT. DOT is almost impossible to drop 4 days.

Oh I’m trying. And thanks for the well-wishes!

For what seat? MCO is mostly green for remainder of month on CA side.


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Unless the credit hors slow down probably won’t change. Have talked to 2 guys in the last 2 trips who credited over 185hours last month.

Haha. You said “hor”

How hard did autocorrect fight you on that one?

Wouldn’t let me post it so I changed it myself.

Has anyone heard about when we’re getting the money owed to us from the overcharged medical deductions?

How is this even possible? I pull an x or y list trip when offered and I am lucky to break 110 and only getting 12/13 days off.

Speed dial.

Plane Coffee

What they told me. One was a line pilot who did 185. The other was a instructor I talked with at the hotel and said he credited 204 hours last month.