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king10pin02 05-21-2019 06:49 AM

they get longevity for travel, but they go to the bottom of the seniority list and on first year pay. they do not get longevity for pay

Qotsaautopilot 05-21-2019 06:50 AM


Originally Posted by Deathwish (Post 2823586)
I might be wrong but I thought they started at year 1 pay and bottom of the list on the day they join the pilot group.

That’s what I thought too. 2 years as a ground instructor then after that you go through the entire new hire training again with the CBA training pay and start on the line at the bottom of the seniority list and year 1 FO pay.

You cannot just skip the longevity table of the CBA unless there is a side letter in our contract that I’m not aware of. That’s like saying a 10yr FA hired as a pilot would be a 10yr FO for pay.

The only thing they keep is their employee number on the badge which really is meaningless.

Deathwish 05-21-2019 07:22 AM

Might be a benefit for non-rev travel seniority.

elmetal 05-21-2019 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by Deathwish (Post 2823842)
Might be a benefit for non-rev travel seniority.

^^^^^^ this

symbian simian 05-21-2019 08:26 AM


Originally Posted by king10pin02 (Post 2823830)
they get longevity for travel, but they go to the bottom of the seniority list and on first year pay. they do not get longevity for pay

Thanks, I stand corrected.

ESQ702 05-30-2019 06:23 PM


Originally Posted by Omniscient (Post 2823294)
Pay is criminal from what I’ve been told. They aren’t bringing in people for this gig for their industry experience, they are bringing them in to work for almost nothing for the promise of a job in 2 years.

Reminds me of the Gulfstream “pay to fly” they didn back in the day

For what it’s worth, here is some reading on the subject from around here:

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/major/121068-instructor-flight-deck.html#post2799225

mtn335 12-23-2019 10:23 PM

Hey, sorry to resurrect an old thread, but: does anyone know if they're serious about only hiring University 141 instructors for this program? I'm in the process of getting my CFI right now at the non-university 141 where I've gone from instrument to CMEL since July, and I'm very interested in this program, but if I'm not eligible, best to know now.

Anybody know what the schedules are like?

Sheg0theD 12-24-2019 04:37 AM


Originally Posted by mtn335 (Post 2944238)
Hey, sorry to resurrect an old thread, but: does anyone know if they're serious about only hiring University 141 instructors for this program? I'm in the process of getting my CFI right now at the non-university 141 where I've gone from instrument to CMEL since July, and I'm very interested in this program, but if I'm not eligible, best to know now.



Anybody know what the schedules are like?


The position is for someone like yourself who wants to put in the time as a ground instructor (not sim). I believe you must have your ATP hour requirements or close to it. You have to commit to two years as a ground instructor and then you get assigned a class date as a new hire FO. I believe the Schedule 4-5 days a week of teaching.



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Mister 12-25-2019 03:57 AM

[QUOTE=Sheg0theD;2944283]The position is for someone like yourself who wants to put in the time as a ground instructor (not sim). I believe you must have your ATP hour requirements or close to it. You have to commit to two years as a ground instructor and then you get assigned a class date as a new hire FO. I believe the Schedule 4-5 days a week of teaching.



I did initial in July and my instructor had 750 hours. He had been there 8 months already. He was flying a Ce150 building time on the weekends.

mtn335 12-27-2019 08:46 PM


Originally Posted by Sheg0theD (Post 2944283)
The position is for someone like yourself who wants to put in the time as a ground instructor (not sim). I believe you must have your ATP hour requirements or close to it. You have to commit to two years as a ground instructor and then you get assigned a class date as a new hire FO. I believe the Schedule 4-5 days a week of teaching.



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Hey, thanks for the schedule info! Much appreciated.

I'm still curious to know if they're serious about only hiring UNIVERSITY 141 instructors, though. Does anyone know if instructors from independent 141 schools have been accepted there? Thanks so much!


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