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LloydBraun 06-19-2019 09:10 AM

Is Ted to blame or just normal summertime
 
What do you guys think. Feel like the operation was running pretty good for quite a while and now last couple of months seeing changes. And not good ones. Seems every week talking to guys that have had horror story trips recently. And obviously with that goes a lot of ****ed off passengers. In a plane yesterday with a ND deferred going on 9 days. Have to imagine that’s just a simple R&R. Teddy is making me nervous.

GrumpyCaptain 06-19-2019 09:54 AM

I thought we blamed “Bendo” for everything?

Omniscient 06-19-2019 10:08 AM


Originally Posted by LloydBraun (Post 2839534)
What do you guys think. Feel like the operation was running pretty good for quite a while and now last couple of months seeing changes. And not good ones. Seems every week talking to guys that have had horror story trips recently. And obviously with that goes a lot of ****ed off passengers. In a plane yesterday with a ND deferred going on 9 days. Have to imagine that’s just a simple R&R. Teddy is making me nervous.

7 summers here, 3 CEOs, the operation always collapses in summer. It’s the “summer stress test,” as they call it, and they always fail

flyingpuma1 06-19-2019 10:38 AM


Originally Posted by Omniscient (Post 2839574)
7 summers here, 3 CEOs, the operation always collapses in summer. It’s the “summer stress test,” as they call it, and they always fail



^^^ This, always a meltdown in the summer.


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MCDUmanipulator 06-19-2019 11:18 AM

I’d say summer time thunderstorms are more to blame then anything. That combined with maxed out schedules and it spells many melt downs. Heck right now the entire state of Florida is ground stopped.

FNGFO 06-19-2019 11:37 AM

Who is this Ted person you speak of?

Sherpa 06-19-2019 11:50 AM

At least we're not getting sued this time. I feel like we had about as much control over their May disaster where they scapegoated the pilot group during negotiations. Bad weather, full schedule, higher utilization = low tier operation.

Qotsaautopilot 06-19-2019 01:25 PM


Originally Posted by MCDUmanipulator (Post 2839627)
I’d say summer time thunderstorms are more to blame then anything. That combined with maxed out schedules and it spells many melt downs. Heck right now the entire state of Florida is ground stopped.

Tornado warned storms near both domiciles

SSlow 06-19-2019 03:18 PM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2839706)
Tornado warned storms near both domiciles

Doesn't seem to have much effect though. Even with all that bad weather today MCO has yet to burn any R19s for tonight on the FO side. I'm on the X/Y list and haven't heard a peep this month. Everything seems to be moving along just fine here.

galleycafe 06-19-2019 03:34 PM

But dat guitar playing, dough.

Plane Coffee

putzin 06-19-2019 03:48 PM


Originally Posted by Omniscient (Post 2839574)
7 summers here, 3 CEOs, the operation always collapses in summer. It’s the “summer stress test,” as they call it, and they always fail

This

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skypest 06-19-2019 08:56 PM


Originally Posted by LloydBraun (Post 2839534)
a ND deferred

Sorry to change the subject, but do you or do you not have the ability to refuse an aircraft?

Alphafloor 06-19-2019 09:18 PM


Originally Posted by Sherpa (Post 2839646)
At least we're not getting sued this time. I feel like we had about as much control over their May disaster where they scapegoated the pilot group during negotiations. Bad weather, full schedule, higher utilization = low tier operation.

When did we get sued? I don’t recall any extra money being deducted from my paycheck or ALPA asking for an assessment.

LloydBraun 06-20-2019 05:48 AM


Originally Posted by skypest (Post 2839892)
Sorry to change the subject, but do you or do you not have the ability to refuse an aircraft?

It's a legitimate MEL. 10 day item. Might be hard to justify canceling a flight over it. My comment was more along the lines of I felt maybe in the past it would have been fixed sooner. Wondering if Ted's background as a numbers guy isn't pushing more fix it later mentality. it did suck flying the arrival into LAX without it.

skytrekker 06-20-2019 06:04 AM


Originally Posted by LloydBraun (Post 2840016)
It's a legitimate MEL. 10 day item. Might be hard to justify canceling a flight over it. My comment was more along the lines of I felt maybe in the past it would have been fixed sooner. Wondering if Ted's background as a numbers guy isn't pushing more fix it later mentality. it did suck flying the arrival into LAX without it.

ASAP it


filler

MO4SHO 06-20-2019 07:29 AM

You can’t fly an arrival without a moving map?

MCDUmanipulator 06-20-2019 07:39 AM


Originally Posted by MO4SHO (Post 2840090)
You can’t fly an arrival without a moving map?

#airbuspilots

skytrekker 06-20-2019 10:12 AM

Yeah what the heck, who needs any of that new fangled stuff. Let's go back to the days of that all B737 operator. Put a metal tab on VNAV, deactivate the Auto Brakes, go to one FMS on the Capt. side and do FO only approaches into Burbank with stable call at 50 feet.

Omniscient 06-20-2019 10:57 AM


Originally Posted by skytrekker (Post 2840248)
Yeah what the heck, who needs any of that new fangled stuff. Let's go back to the days of that all B737 operator. Put a metal tab on VNAV, deactivate the Auto Brakes, go to one FMS on the Capt. side and do FO only approaches into Burbank with stable call at 50 feet.

Uh, no. It’s a Cat C deferral, and your other 5 screens have to operational for the deferral.

I bet if you were on go home leg and the ND went out, you would be praying for a pilot deferral

Nice hysterics though

SG1159 06-20-2019 03:03 PM


Originally Posted by skytrekker (Post 2840248)
Yeah what the heck, who needs any of that new fangled stuff. Let's go back to the days of that all B737 operator. Put a metal tab on VNAV, deactivate the Auto Brakes, go to one FMS on the Capt. side and do FO only approaches into Burbank with stable call at 50 feet.

Metal tab over VNAV- now THAT would be funny...

Like when people rant without quite knowing what they’re talking about...
🙃🙃

Sherpa 06-20-2019 03:55 PM


Originally Posted by Alphafloor (Post 2839896)
When did we get sued? I don’t recall any extra money being deducted from my paycheck or ALPA asking for an assessment.

The money was certainly deducted from your paycheck in the form of reduced bargaining capitol during negotiations.

"Spirit sued its pilots union in federal court for the Southern District of Florida, accusing pilots of “an unlawful job action,” designed to hurt the airline’s operations. Spirit pilots, represented by the Air Line Pilots Association, and the airline are at odds over a new collective bargaining agreement.

In some cases, the airline said in its complaint, pilots are even turning down a chance to make 200 percent of their pay for last-minute assignments. Usually, the airline said, it has no trouble finding pilots for those flights. Spirit also said union members have “engaged in a campaign to threaten and intimidate other pilots” who accept those and other last-minute assignments
." -Skift

skytrekker 06-20-2019 04:02 PM

:) You guys are no fun.

I was replying to the remarks about the op's abilities or not to fly w/o an ND. Admit it though, nine days plus for this billion dollar major airline to replace a display?

As for that B737 operator, my remark was geared to the 737. Not a big fan of the 737, so....

Yeah I missed that the A/T on the 300/500 was also deactivated prior to the fleetwide upgrade, and that the EFIS display format was unique to them. Anything else?


-300
<https://www.airliners.net/photo/Southwest-Airlines/Boeing-737-3H4/721045>

-500
<https://www.airliners.net/photo/Southwest-Airlines/Boeing-737-5H4/715661>

SG1159 06-20-2019 04:18 PM


Originally Posted by skytrekker (Post 2840482)
:) You guys are no fun.

I was replying to the remarks about the op's abilities or not to fly w/o an ND. Admit it though, nine days plus for this billion dollar major airline to replace a display?

As for that B737 operator, my remark was geared to the 737. Not a big fan of the 737, so....

Yeah I missed that the A/T on the 300/500 was also deactivated prior to the fleetwide upgrade, and that the EFIS display format was unique to them. Anything else?


-300
<https://www.airliners.net/photo/Southwest-Airlines/Boeing-737-3H4/721045>

-500
<https://www.airliners.net/photo/Southwest-Airlines/Boeing-737-5H4/715661>


First- how do you know it’s just a matter of replacing a display? Not sure how much you know about airbus systems- but several things go into making the ND display its info.

Second- I flew that airplane a few days ago (assume it’s the same...) and can’t imagine why anyone would think this is a big deal. Personally, I’d be more bothered by the FWD lav being deferred. If you feel challenged by a certain arrival- feel free to have the captain fly that leg....

As far as the VNAV thing- I just wondered if you knew the difference between VNAV and A/T....

LloydBraun 06-20-2019 04:26 PM

This was really supposed to be as Ted takes over are we seeing things change with maint etc.... why it always turns into a d$&k measuring thing.

SG1159 06-20-2019 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by LloydBraun (Post 2840490)
This was really supposed to be as Ted takes over are we seeing things change with maint etc.... why it always turns into a d$&k measuring thing.

What part of any of that qualifies as “d$&k” measuring??

And FWIW- I haven’t seen any “meltdown” type issues this year... not saying they haven’t been there- just not for me....

Skypilotsv1984 06-21-2019 04:48 AM


Originally Posted by SG1159 (Post 2840507)
What part of any of that qualifies as “d$&k” measuring??

And FWIW- I haven’t seen any “meltdown” type issues this year... not saying they haven’t been there- just not for me....

The Easter meltdown.

Alphafloor 06-22-2019 06:34 PM


Originally Posted by Sherpa (Post 2840478)
The money was certainly deducted from your paycheck in the form of reduced bargaining capitol during negotiations.

"Spirit sued its pilots union in federal court for the Southern District of Florida, accusing pilots of “an unlawful job action,” designed to hurt the airline’s operations. Spirit pilots, represented by the Air Line Pilots Association, and the airline are at odds over a new collective bargaining agreement.

In some cases, the airline said in its complaint, pilots are even turning down a chance to make 200 percent of their pay for last-minute assignments. Usually, the airline said, it has no trouble finding pilots for those flights. Spirit also said union members have “engaged in a campaign to threaten and intimidate other pilots” who accept those and other last-minute assignments
." -Skift

Well it seems we should get sued more often, apparently it's the only way we can get a contract.

Green Giant 06-23-2019 05:23 AM


Originally Posted by Alphafloor (Post 2841663)
Well it seems we should get sued more often, apparently it's the only way we can get a contract.

We have a winner. Or we could change the leadership structure. Your choice. Sometimes adding people to the mix changes the dynamics.

nkbux 06-23-2019 10:00 AM


Originally Posted by Green Giant (Post 2841787)
We have a winner. Or we could change the leadership structure. Your choice. Sometimes adding people to the mix changes the dynamics.

Sad but true... and likely never gonna change... new management will always get the same pressure from the board to keep costs down at all costs and maintain healthy margins... even at the risk of an unhappy pilot group. They’ll just bring another JB in to do the same job... they’re puppets

Av viii 07-11-2019 06:59 AM

Yes. It’s teds fault. He also gets the glory if he pulls it off. But for now this ship is sliding closer to the rocks. What the hell is the hold up with getting scheduling split up between FA and pilots. Oh yeah.... it’s not a priority.

As long as these clowns (ted responsible) can’t get the phones answered then I’m not going to ever sweet getting out on time. They can’t get me a hotel in IROPS? Going to eat into my 10 hour layover?

**** off your pilots by stepping over dollars to save a nickel. Yes. Ted is responsible.

RemoveB4flght 07-11-2019 09:33 AM


Originally Posted by Av viii (Post 2851419)
Yes. It’s teds fault. He also gets the glory if he pulls it off. But for now this ship is sliding closer to the rocks. What the hell is the hold up with getting scheduling split up between FA and pilots. Oh yeah.... it’s not a priority.

As long as these clowns (ted responsible) can’t get the phones answered then I’m not going to ever sweet getting out on time. They can’t get me a hotel in IROPS? Going to eat into my 10 hour layover?

**** off your pilots by stepping over dollars to save a nickel. Yes. Ted is responsible.

Not a management apologist, but clearly you have delusions of CEO responsibility.

I’m not saying wait times are not a problem, however if you think a CEO should spend their days concerned about how long pilots and crew are on hold, micromanagement will strangle a company.

These are problems and issues that are dealt with within operations, and if it is consistent and costly to the point that they are no longer meeting expectations, the CEO should/will/does hold operations management responsible.

It amazes me that people get so fired up thinking CEO’s should be down in the trenches making day to day tactical decisions (no matter how beneficial) as a leadership strategy vs. finding competent people to do that for them.

This doesn’t mean he should be completely disconnected from what is going on day to day (Having met the guy, he seemed quite open to honest feedback)

If excessive hold times causes a delay, so be it, make record of that and move on. If Ops doesn’t get their act together, they will be on the hook. If management doesn’t help them facilitate improvements, so will they. If Ted can’t manage people to the satisfaction of the board and shareholders, he will be replaced.

Don’t let it ruin your day.

Omniscient 07-11-2019 10:46 AM


Originally Posted by RemoveB4flght (Post 2851528)
Not a management apologist, but clearly you have delusions of CEO responsibility.

I’m not saying wait times are not a problem, however if you think a CEO should spend their days concerned about how long pilots and crew are on hold, micromanagement will strangle a company.

These are problems and issues that are dealt with within operations, and if it is consistent and costly to the point that they are no longer meeting expectations, the CEO should/will/does hold operations management responsible.

It amazes me that people get so fired up thinking CEO’s should be down in the trenches making day to day tactical decisions (no matter how beneficial) as a leadership strategy vs. finding competent people to do that for them.

This doesn’t mean he should be completely disconnected from what is going on day to day (Having met the guy, he seemed quite open to honest feedback)

If excessive hold times causes a delay, so be it, make record of that and move on. If Ops doesn’t get their act together, they will be on the hook. If management doesn’t help them facilitate improvements, so will they. If Ted can’t manage people to the satisfaction of the board and shareholders, he will be replaced.

Don’t let it ruin your day.

This is pretty much it; the day the guy making $7mil a year needs to get directly involved in hold times is the day we jump off the cliff as a company.

My only issue with Ted so far is zero introduction to the company. We get Bendo videos pushed to us once a week, would have seemed appropriate for a video from Ted introducing himself to the company and where he sees us going and his plans.

dutchroller 07-11-2019 06:05 PM

Is Ted to blame or just normal summertime
 

Originally Posted by Omniscient (Post 2851566)
My only issue with Ted so far is zero introduction to the company. We get Bendo videos pushed to us once a week, would have seemed appropriate for a video from Ted introducing himself to the company and where he sees us going and his plans.



He could even use his guitar.


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GrumpyCaptain 07-12-2019 05:03 AM

I thought Ben Baldanza was our ceo?


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