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Old 08-16-2019, 10:21 AM
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FOs getting defensive that CAs don’t trust them to do the old CA goes

CAs not wanting FOs to do their old flows

Battle begins in 3....2.....1....

I’ll make a deal, I’ll do the walk around as CA of the FO wants to deal with the crap we always have to deal with like release issues, fuel numbers, alternate numbers, jacked up log book requiring a call.

I know the walk around is still the discretion of the Ca, but usually the Ca should be handling all the other crap left to us up front.

Not that FOs can’t do it, they shouldn’t have to do it. They don’t get paid enough on some of this junk. Especially with fuel numbers dropping and making the call saying you’re adding 2000 pounds and you don’t care if they (dispatch) like it or not
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Old 08-16-2019, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Omniscient View Post
FOs getting defensive that CAs don’t trust them to do the old CA goes

CAs not wanting FOs to do their old flows

Battle begins in 3....2.....1....

I’ll make a deal, I’ll do the walk around as CA of the FO wants to deal with the crap we always have to deal with like release issues, fuel numbers, alternate numbers, jacked up log book requiring a call.

I know the walk around is still the discretion of the Ca, but usually the Ca should be handling all the other crap left to us up front.

Not that FOs can’t do it, they shouldn’t have to do it. They don’t get paid enough on some of this junk. Especially with fuel numbers dropping and making the call saying you’re adding 2000 pounds and you don’t care if they (dispatch) like it or not
I don’t think FO’s want to do it eaither. They just want go by the book, but going by the book is making things awkward.
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Old 08-16-2019, 11:03 AM
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Add me to the secret FO jerk captain list. I still don’t plan on doing any walk-arounds.
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Old 08-16-2019, 11:07 AM
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That doesn’t make you a jerk. Just lazy.
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Old 08-16-2019, 11:29 AM
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Add me to the secret FO jerk captain list. I still don’t plan on doing any walk-arounds.
I support you. I don’t think they should either.
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Old 08-16-2019, 11:34 AM
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By the book you can't start the before start checklist until you receive the loadsheet and .Z report. I see a lot of late departures because of this.
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Old 08-16-2019, 02:34 PM
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By the book you can't start the before start checklist until you receive the loadsheet and .Z report. I see a lot of late departures because of this.
Seriously? The previous before start checklist wasn’t started until door closed and cabin ready. So now it’s the same process but maybe 6 or 7 additional lines to say on the checklist. This will cause you to be late?
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Old 08-16-2019, 02:36 PM
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By the book you can't start the before start checklist until you receive the loadsheet and .Z report. I see a lot of late departures because of this.
It’s a checklist that takes maybe 15 seconds to complete.... it can’t be that big of an issue. If you can’t manage to plug in numbers and do a checklist while the cabin crew is closing and arming that’s on you.
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Old 08-16-2019, 02:54 PM
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I don’t like that I can’t adjust my screens until both pilots are seated. I’ll be a revel by testing my mask and adjusting my seat while the other guy is gone.
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Old 08-16-2019, 03:17 PM
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Just remember our performance is going to SUFFER when the NEOs come and it takes so fuccking long to start engines.

Now checklist + NEO? Hell no im not extending, gonna time out leg one day one.
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