SPA union doesn’t care about seniority
08-16-2019, 11:14 AM
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Are these pairings not already held out of the main pairing packet? This is how it’s always been and the pairings weren’t built onto the regular lines. Are they now in the PBS bid and you don’t get them because they were awarded to training in your results?
08-16-2019, 11:35 AM
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You don’t understand, the trips are being Cherry Picked from Check Airmen, they are building themselves their own schedules.
Back in the day, Jyri was about to get a lot of check airmen resigning because the trips were “horrable”.
So Jyri, told the training scheduler to let the “Check Airmen pick their own schedules”. So now you have junior guys giving themselves senior schedules that they wouldn’t be able to hold.
Ask the LEC 77 CA REP, he can confirm it and give more info.
Back in the day, Jyri was about to get a lot of check airmen resigning because the trips were “horrable”.
So Jyri, told the training scheduler to let the “Check Airmen pick their own schedules”. So now you have junior guys giving themselves senior schedules that they wouldn’t be able to hold.
Ask the LEC 77 CA REP, he can confirm it and give more info.
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08-16-2019, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Freightcowboy
You don’t understand, the trips are being Cherry Picked from Check Airmen, they are building themselves their own schedules.
Back in the day, Jyri was about to get a lot of check airmen resigning because the trips were “horrable”.
So Jyri, told the training scheduler to let the “Check Airmen pick their own schedules”. So now you have junior guys giving themselves senior schedules that they wouldn’t be able to hold.
Ask the LEC 77 CA REP, he can confirm it and give more info.
Back in the day, Jyri was about to get a lot of check airmen resigning because the trips were “horrable”.
So Jyri, told the training scheduler to let the “Check Airmen pick their own schedules”. So now you have junior guys giving themselves senior schedules that they wouldn’t be able to hold.
Ask the LEC 77 CA REP, he can confirm it and give more info.
2) As a former training department member, I can say first-hand that this is NOT how the change in schedule builds went about in 2013.
08-16-2019, 12:22 PM
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1. It may, however the practices in play now show the same thing, lack of dignity and character!!
2. Whatever change was put forth reverts back to my first statement!!
2. Whatever change was put forth reverts back to my first statement!!
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08-16-2019, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Freightcowboy
1. It may, however the practices in play now show the same thing, lack of dignity and character!!
2. Whatever change was put forth reverts back to my first statement!!
2. Whatever change was put forth reverts back to my first statement!!
08-16-2019, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Freightcowboy
For September 33 out 39 turns were assigned to Check Airmen.
08-16-2019, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Freightcowboy
Some of you are aware that in DFW junior Check Airmen and Check Airmen in general are allowed to “Cherry Pick” their trips. I’m sure it’s going on at all other bases
For September 33 out 39 turns were assigned to Check Airmen.
Yesterday’s “secret” ALPA meeting basically concluded that our MEC CHAIRMAN S.M. doesnt see anything wrong with what’s going on.
This is exactly why ALPA members being in the training department is a bad idea. Asking our MEC to fix this is like asking them to “Shoot themselves in the foot” so to speak.
Why would any ALPA member do that?? Let along fix the corruption.
Anybody else ready for a change with our SPIRIT ALPA reps??
For September 33 out 39 turns were assigned to Check Airmen.
Yesterday’s “secret” ALPA meeting basically concluded that our MEC CHAIRMAN S.M. doesnt see anything wrong with what’s going on.
This is exactly why ALPA members being in the training department is a bad idea. Asking our MEC to fix this is like asking them to “Shoot themselves in the foot” so to speak.
Why would any ALPA member do that?? Let along fix the corruption.
Anybody else ready for a change with our SPIRIT ALPA reps??
08-16-2019, 03:49 PM
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The company can withhold an additional 3% of scheduled flying for IOE/OE 25.B.1. It doesn’t say what type of trips.
So I’ll ask again. Is the flying not being withheld before the navblue pbs bid and your trips are being denied in your bid because they are going to training, or do the trips not exist in the navblue pairing packet because they were withheld for training?
If they were withheld prior to navblue it’s completely legal per the contract and is not new. The company can withhold whatever 5% and another 3% of flying for IOE/OE that they want. This is so that the check airman don’t bid regular lines and then the company has to buy the FO off everyone of their trips. Sure would be nice but that is something we never had here at Spirit at least since I’ve been here.
If you want to stipulate what type of flying the company can withhold in their 5+3% withholding then we need to negotiate that because it’s certainly not in the language now.
I feel the pain and I’ve always thought check airmen should bid in the regular bid and FOs get bought off to add the pilot doing IOE/OE. Put that in the bucket of priorities that’s filling up quick. I’m all for complaining but you sound like you are complaining about something happening that isn’t legal which to my knowledge isn’t the case but I could be wrong.
So I’ll ask again. Is the flying not being withheld before the navblue pbs bid and your trips are being denied in your bid because they are going to training, or do the trips not exist in the navblue pairing packet because they were withheld for training?
If they were withheld prior to navblue it’s completely legal per the contract and is not new. The company can withhold whatever 5% and another 3% of flying for IOE/OE that they want. This is so that the check airman don’t bid regular lines and then the company has to buy the FO off everyone of their trips. Sure would be nice but that is something we never had here at Spirit at least since I’ve been here.
If you want to stipulate what type of flying the company can withhold in their 5+3% withholding then we need to negotiate that because it’s certainly not in the language now.
I feel the pain and I’ve always thought check airmen should bid in the regular bid and FOs get bought off to add the pilot doing IOE/OE. Put that in the bucket of priorities that’s filling up quick. I’m all for complaining but you sound like you are complaining about something happening that isn’t legal which to my knowledge isn’t the case but I could be wrong.
08-16-2019, 04:25 PM
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Check airman should bid like all other captains. The trips that they can hold by regular seniority get pulled from the FO trip pool like they do for the no-fly list trips.
Yeah, getting the trips bought from the FO would be great, but this at least solves the seniority bypass on the captain side, without messing up the FO side extra.
Yes, I know, it's not in the contract, but I can dream can't I?
Yeah, getting the trips bought from the FO would be great, but this at least solves the seniority bypass on the captain side, without messing up the FO side extra.
Yes, I know, it's not in the contract, but I can dream can't I?
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