Makeup flying
#1
Makeup flying
Question for the Spirit gurus.
Reportedly, you guys can drop a days worth of flying and then make it up at 200%.
If that's how it rolls, not sure why anyone would fly at straight time.
Or is it only Extra days of flying in a month that pays at 200%?
Reportedly, you guys can drop a days worth of flying and then make it up at 200%.
If that's how it rolls, not sure why anyone would fly at straight time.
Or is it only Extra days of flying in a month that pays at 200%?
#2
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Joined APC: Feb 2018
Position: AeroMedical Captain
Posts: 85
You have to be selected for the extra flying.
You are playing a betting game. You drop your trip and HOPE that they will call you on a day off for a trip to get paid at 200%. No guarantees that you will.
You are playing a betting game. You drop your trip and HOPE that they will call you on a day off for a trip to get paid at 200%. No guarantees that you will.
#3
Here’s the scenario you describe: you have a 4 day trip, and you wish to drop it to attempt to get premium pay instead.
First to drop said trip, there must be above minimum reserve coverage for each day of the trip (green). There is a grid which shows you if this is possible and what that minimum coverage is.
You then can place yourself on one or both of two lists to make yourself available for premium assignments. Y list for short call trips within 3 hours of callout, or X list for trips 3:01 and beyond.
Who gets called is a bit complicated, but basically based on credit, legality, conflict, etc. The idea being to spread the love around, but this can vary depending on the day’s circumstances. It’s impossible to predict who will volunteer, for how many days, and what conditions they will stipulate (base, trip type, report time, etc)
The other important thing to remember is the rolling 48 hour window inside which scheduling owns the flying. So you cannot drop a trip Tuesday hoping they call you for premium Monday, and if they don’t try to pick your original trip back up again.
Clear as mud?
First to drop said trip, there must be above minimum reserve coverage for each day of the trip (green). There is a grid which shows you if this is possible and what that minimum coverage is.
You then can place yourself on one or both of two lists to make yourself available for premium assignments. Y list for short call trips within 3 hours of callout, or X list for trips 3:01 and beyond.
Who gets called is a bit complicated, but basically based on credit, legality, conflict, etc. The idea being to spread the love around, but this can vary depending on the day’s circumstances. It’s impossible to predict who will volunteer, for how many days, and what conditions they will stipulate (base, trip type, report time, etc)
The other important thing to remember is the rolling 48 hour window inside which scheduling owns the flying. So you cannot drop a trip Tuesday hoping they call you for premium Monday, and if they don’t try to pick your original trip back up again.
Clear as mud?
#5
Do you mean, you cannot on Monday, drop a trip that starts in the next 48 hours (Tuesday or Wednesday) even if the grid is green?
Say you drop a trip 50 hours ahead (is that ahead of showtime, or scheduled block out time, or what?), do you mean you can't pick it back up 3 hours later (now 47 hours to go)?
Thanks
Last edited by wornTiller; 09-30-2019 at 01:09 PM. Reason: removed x/y question
#6
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2018
Posts: 417
Clara bro
Do you mean, you cannot on Monday, drop a trip that starts in the next 48 hours (Tuesday or Wednesday) even if the grid is green?
Say you drop a trip 50 hours ahead (is that ahead of showtime, or scheduled block out time, or what?), do you mean you can't pick it back up 3 hours later (now 47 hours to go)?
Thanks
Do you mean, you cannot on Monday, drop a trip that starts in the next 48 hours (Tuesday or Wednesday) even if the grid is green?
Say you drop a trip 50 hours ahead (is that ahead of showtime, or scheduled block out time, or what?), do you mean you can't pick it back up 3 hours later (now 47 hours to go)?
Thanks
#7
#8
Do you mean, you cannot on Monday, drop a trip that starts in the next 48 hours (Tuesday or Wednesday) even if the grid is green?
Say you drop a trip 50 hours ahead (is that ahead of showtime, or scheduled block out time, or what?), do you mean you can't pick it back up 3 hours later (now 47 hours to go)?
Say you drop a trip 50 hours ahead (is that ahead of showtime, or scheduled block out time, or what?), do you mean you can't pick it back up 3 hours later (now 47 hours to go)?
1) Right now, it's after Noon EST on Monday, so scheduling technically considers it to now be "Tuesday". 2 calendar days from now (which is Tuesday) pushes you into Thursday. Since it's within 2 calendar days, you cannot drop a trip that starts at any time on Thursday, even if the grid is green? Yes/No
2) Green grid, right now, can you drop a trip that starts Friday, up until Noon EST tomorrow? Yes/No
3) And if you did drop that trip, I assume it goes into some sort of "open time" system. Can only be picked up at 100% Yes/No
4) Once Noon EST passes tomorrow, scheduling now "owns" the Friday trip that was dropped, it cannot be picked up, and you are outta luck (if you wanted the trip back). Yes/No
#9
My previous questions need to be changed since it's not a rolling 48:
So let me rephrase my questions to reflect calendar days:
1) Right now, it's after Noon EST on Monday, so scheduling technically considers it to now be "Tuesday". 2 calendar days from now (which is Tuesday) pushes you into Thursday. Since it's within 2 calendar days, you cannot drop a trip that starts at any time on Thursday, even if the grid is green? Yes/No
2) Green grid, right now, can you drop a trip that starts Friday, up until Noon EST tomorrow? Yes/No
3) And if you did drop that trip, I assume it goes into some sort of "open time" system. Can only be picked up at 100% Yes/No
4) Once Noon EST passes tomorrow, scheduling now "owns" the Friday trip that was dropped, it cannot be picked up, and you are outta luck (if you wanted the trip back). Yes/No
So let me rephrase my questions to reflect calendar days:
1) Right now, it's after Noon EST on Monday, so scheduling technically considers it to now be "Tuesday". 2 calendar days from now (which is Tuesday) pushes you into Thursday. Since it's within 2 calendar days, you cannot drop a trip that starts at any time on Thursday, even if the grid is green? Yes/No
2) Green grid, right now, can you drop a trip that starts Friday, up until Noon EST tomorrow? Yes/No
3) And if you did drop that trip, I assume it goes into some sort of "open time" system. Can only be picked up at 100% Yes/No
4) Once Noon EST passes tomorrow, scheduling now "owns" the Friday trip that was dropped, it cannot be picked up, and you are outta luck (if you wanted the trip back). Yes/No
1) Yes
2) Yes
3) Yes
4) Yes
As far as premium goes, if you have a weekday trip you have a better chance of dropping it, you will then be more available to be called the weekend prior for premium, if not, you might be in time to pick something up. Still only likely to work in the summer, xmas, 4th of July....
#10
I admit my errors, the 48 hour was memory of my previous company.
The premise is still the same, and the exact wording:
Daily open time pot shall until 1200 EST/EDT contain all known open flying and R days beyond the next calendar day.
Example: Daily Open time available for Wednesday and beyond will remain in open time until Monday at 12:00 EST/EDT.
So I suppose if you want to be accurate, it’s not 2 full calendar days, but a 36 hour blackout from noon eastern to 00:01 the third day.
The premise is still the same, and the exact wording:
Daily open time pot shall until 1200 EST/EDT contain all known open flying and R days beyond the next calendar day.
Example: Daily Open time available for Wednesday and beyond will remain in open time until Monday at 12:00 EST/EDT.
So I suppose if you want to be accurate, it’s not 2 full calendar days, but a 36 hour blackout from noon eastern to 00:01 the third day.
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