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2GoodEngines 02-06-2020 08:26 PM


Originally Posted by Balker (Post 2972383)
There are other recent threads with base seniority discussions, I suggest you go through them.

Is DFW the only one-leg commute from your city? Maybe if you share where you live, other commuters in similar situation could give you more insight.

No matter how you look at NK, if your commute sucks, you’ll never fully enjoy the benefits of our schedules. I know that could be said about any airline, but if you’re commuting on your own metal, or at least on the regional of the legacy you work for, things will be infinitely easier.

If moving to a base it’s out of the question, then I would seriously consider living based on 60-70hrs of credit a month. That way you’d only have to work 3 4-day trips a month. We have some commuters here that claim they don’t move to base because the high cost of living related to big cities, yet they seem eager to credit 90+ hrs. Can’t have it both ways, at least not in happily manner.

Your last paragraph describes exactly what I’m considering. It would be a “happy” medium between pay and schedule for a commuter at NK I think. And Spirit actually allows that sort of thing (no min credit requirement) assuming the coverage is there. I live in Lubbock, TX, so as far as 1 leg goes, DFW is it for NK bases. There is one non stop to vegas each day, but that’s it. Everything else for every other base is two legs.

FLYBOYMATTHEW 02-07-2020 07:36 PM

For March, 84% of the DFW trips are 4-days. There are very, very few that are commutable on both ends. The majority of pairings there have always started early and ended late. A "good" commutable 4-day starts after 10 am, and ends by 5 pm, and is worth around 20ish hours, which means as a line holder, PBS will assign 4 per month. You wod have mixed rests dropping specific pairings. Right now, as mentioned, it's fairly easy. I've also had difficulty some months unloading commutable 4-day weekday trips. The commuting options to anywhere out of Lubbock seem rather limited, is it realistic and sustainable to live there and commute to any major hub, especially to reserve? I mean, you do still have to allow 2 flight options to be protected by the commuter clause.

2GoodEngines 02-08-2020 12:45 AM


Originally Posted by FLYBOYMATTHEW (Post 2973004)
For March, 84% of the DFW trips are 4-days. There are very, very few that are commutable on both ends. The majority of pairings there have always started early and ended late. A "good" commutable 4-day starts after 10 am, and ends by 5 pm, and is worth around 20ish hours, which means as a line holder, PBS will assign 4 per month. You wod have mixed rests dropping specific pairings. Right now, as mentioned, it's fairly easy. I've also had difficulty some months unloading commutable 4-day weekday trips. The commuting options to anywhere out of Lubbock seem rather limited, is it realistic and sustainable to live there and commute to any major hub, especially to reserve? I mean, you do still have to allow 2 flight options to be protected by the commuter clause.

I know reserve will be a complete nightmare out of Lubbock, no matter what the base. As for the other bases, DFW would still be preferable because it's just one leg, several flights a day, I have family and friends there, etc. However, I think other bases, particularly Vegas (since they have the red-eyes that start late) might still work ok, because my plan would be (once I hold a line) to try and get three 4-day rotations per month at about 60-65 hours. Even if one end isn't commutable, that basically means I have three 5-day rotations (including the three travel days) and still have 15 days off. It's not ideal, but it's sort of a happy medium between getting reasonable days off and reasonable (although reduced) pay.

badtransam97 02-08-2020 02:35 AM

Not to hijack the thread, but what about commutabilty for say ORD or DTW?

badtransam97 02-08-2020 02:36 AM

Not to hijack the thread, but what about commutabilty for say ORD or DTW?

GrassLandings 02-08-2020 02:51 AM


Originally Posted by badtransam97 (Post 2973055)
Not to hijack the thread, but what about commutabilty for say ORD or DTW?

Cant speak for DTW. But even when I was a super jr lineholder in ORD, I was getting commutable lines both ends. But I bid for that above all other preferences usually. Something like 9:45am and later starts, release by 5 or 6 pm. So I guess it depends on where you are flying from. ORD seems to have alot of commuters from all over just from what Iv observed, and most the “local” guys that drive to work that I meet either drive from WI, IN, or even western MI.

badtransam97 02-08-2020 05:33 AM


Originally Posted by GrassLandings (Post 2973060)
Cant speak for DTW. But even when I was a super jr lineholder in ORD, I was getting commutable lines both ends. But I bid for that above all other preferences usually. Something like 9:45am and later starts, release by 5 or 6 pm. So I guess it depends on where you are flying from. ORD seems to have alot of commuters from all over just from what Iv observed, and most the “local” guys that drive to work that I meet either drive from WI, IN, or even western MI.

Thank you for the info. I’d be coming from MEM or BNA.

Omniscient 02-08-2020 06:43 AM


Originally Posted by 2GoodEngines (Post 2973045)
I know reserve will be a complete nightmare out of Lubbock, no matter what the base. As for the other bases, DFW would still be preferable because it's just one leg, several flights a day, I have family and friends there, etc. However, I think other bases, particularly Vegas (since they have the red-eyes that start late) might still work ok, because my plan would be (once I hold a line) to try and get three 4-day rotations per month at about 60-65 hours. Even if one end isn't commutable, that basically means I have three 5-day rotations (including the three travel days) and still have 15 days off. It's not ideal, but it's sort of a happy medium between getting reasonable days off and reasonable (although reduced) pay.

Just keep in mind if you try for low credit 4 day trips (60-65 hours for 3) you’ll have more trips build to meet the credit window and then you’ll have to go in and drop. Usually dropping in IOT isn’t an issue, but being junior, it’s subject to availability.

I would commute to LAS over DFW. As others have said, DFW is probably the second worst commuting base, second to ACY, and any commutable 4 days will be sucked up by senior guys

Balker 02-08-2020 02:59 PM


Originally Posted by badtransam97 (Post 2973103)
Thank you for the info. I’d be coming from MEM or BNA.

ORD it’s pretty senior. DTW is way faster for holding a line. Also MCO could be a good option out of BNA. No matter where you go, it would take at least 6 months to hold a line at a jr base (12-18 months at ORD/DFW). So the first question you need to answer yourself is where do you want to sit reserve? As a commuter I would go to base that has R19 (MCO does). R19 has only 15 periods per month, so that will give you plenty of time at home. The downside is that they’ll use you less, so better have a decent crash pad (and maybe nice WX ;).

Once you’re a lineholder you can swap/pick up trips from any base, making BNA a strategically positioned airport.
Obviously, there’s nothing like living in base, but at least you’d have a way better commute that our friend from Lubbock. (waaayyyy better)

2GoodEngines 02-08-2020 05:45 PM


Originally Posted by Balker (Post 2973412)
ORD it’s pretty senior. DTW is way faster for holding a line. Also MCO could be a good option out of BNA. No matter where you go, it would take at least 6 months to hold a line at a jr base (12-18 months at ORD/DFW). So the first question you need to answer yourself is where do you want to sit reserve? As a commuter I would go to base that has R19 (MCO does). R19 has only 15 periods per month, so that will give you plenty of time at home. The downside is that they’ll use you less, so better have a decent crash pad (and maybe nice WX ;).

Once you’re a lineholder you can swap/pick up trips from any base, making BNA a strategically positioned airport.
Obviously, there’s nothing like living in base, but at least you’d have a way better commute that our friend from Lubbock. (waaayyyy better)

That was hurtful :-(. Kidding, I know LBB is FAR from ideal. But it’s so green here, we have so many trees, it’s 72 degrees all the time............wait.......we don’t have any of that either. FML. I just have to go into it expecting year 1 to suck. Hopefully I’d be at the end of the tunnel by then and have something tolerable. Of course, I don’t have the job yet so my cart and horse are poorly arranged.


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