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senecacaptain 04-14-2020 06:23 PM


Originally Posted by flyingpuma1 (Post 3032361)
I hope I’m wrong too as I’d like to keep my job until at least Sept 30. But it’s seeming a little suspect if everyone else has negotiated for it already and we have not.

I tend to agree. What is drastically different for Spirit ? It seems everybody else is cooperating, graduating. Of course I may not understand the big picture.

Silver02ex 04-14-2020 06:42 PM

I guess some of you haven't been following any of this since the final ruling from the DOT on the 7th.

https://www.transportation.gov/sites...er%20FINAL.PDF

We have applied for an exemption (which it spells out on the last page of the final DOT ruling). and also mentioned here:

https://www.flightglobal.com/network...137825.article

If the DOT doesn't grant us this, all it means is we start up those stations that we don't go to right now and fly it 3x a week, which we are planning doing in May anyways. Why do you think Ted sent out that email today, right after this news came out about how we are not listed? Probably to let us know that they are finishing the deal. Which means the DOT accepted our request or we start flying those those stations listed in the final ruling 3x a week, or anything in between.

"Spirit Airlines Inc, a low-cost carrier which was not listed by the Treasury as reaching agreement, said it expects "to agree on terms soon" for payroll grants."
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/u-tre...203413315.html

This is not about if we are getting the money or not, it's about what we have to do to meet the DOT's requirements to get it.

FlyingDawgg 04-14-2020 07:09 PM

You’re not the only airline. Republic is in the same boat.

Silver02ex 04-14-2020 07:12 PM


Originally Posted by flyingpuma1 (Post 3032348)
I’m not holding my breath that we get it after seeing Allegiant and Frontier already did.


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That's because Frontier and Allegiant didn't apply for the exemption like we did and if they did, it was already approved by the DOT which I highly doubt it. They just went with the final DOT's ruling and added flights that they cut.

"In January, Frontier officials announced they were suspending operations in Mobile and the last scheduled Frontier flight was scheduled to take place April 22. That obviously changes with Monday’s announcement."

https://www.thecallnews.com/2020/04/...lando-flights/

HacksawDuggan 04-14-2020 08:03 PM


Originally Posted by Silver02ex (Post 3032413)
That's because Frontier and Allegiant didn't apply for the exemption like we did and if they did, it was already approved by the DOT which I highly doubt it. They just went with the final DOT's ruling and added flights that they cut.

"In January, Frontier officials announced they were suspending operations in Mobile and the last scheduled Frontier flight was scheduled to take place April 22. That obviously changes with Monday’s announcement."

https://www.thecallnews.com/2020/04/...lando-flights/

Frontier applied for exemption from 35 cities... don't know if the request was granted or not.Frontier requests an exemption from its Service Obligation under DOT Order 2020-4-2 to allow it to temporarily suspend service from April 13, 2020 through June 10, 2020 at the following 35 communities:

Albany, NY (ALB)
Billings, MT (BIL)
Bloomington, IL (BMI)
Boston, MA Metropolitan Region (BOS/PVD)1 Burlington, VT (BTV)

Buffalo, NY (BUF)
Bozeman, MT (BZN)
Cedar Rapids, IA (CID) Charlotte, NC (CLT) Columbus, OH (CMH) Colorado Springs, CO (COS) Detroit, MI (DTW)

El Paso, TX (ELP)
Fargo, ND (FAR)
Sioux Falls, SD (FSD)
Spokane, WA (GEG)
Green Bay, WI (GRB)
Grand Rapids, MI (GRR) Greenville/Spartanburg, SC (GSP) Harlingen, TX (HRL)

Huntsville, AL (HSV) Wichita, KS (ICT) Jacksonville, FL (JAX) Madison, WI (MSN) Norfolk, VA (ORF)
West Palm Beach, FL (PBI) Pittsburgh, PA (PIT)

Palm Springs, CA (PSP) Portland, ME (PWM) Raleigh/Durham, NC (RDU) Louisville, KY (SDF) Syracuse, NY (SYR)

Tyler, TX (TYR) Knoxville, TN (TYS)

flyingpuma1 04-14-2020 08:21 PM

Only major airline with no bailout agreement?
 

Originally Posted by Silver02ex (Post 3032400)

We have applied for an exemption (which it spells out on the last page of the final DOT ruling). and also mentioned here:


It’s not as if we were the only airline to ask for exemptions JB did and has finalized an agreement.

https://www.flightglobal.com/network...137825.article


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Silver02ex 04-14-2020 08:33 PM


Originally Posted by flyingpuma1 (Post 3032457)
It’s not as if we were the only airline to ask for exemptions JB did and has finalized an agreement.

https://www.flightglobal.com/network...137825.article


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I'm aware of that, and how do you know if the DOT approved JB's exemption or not? It doesn't mean we are not getting it just because our name wasn't mention. Why would the DOT tell us what station we must serve and how many times in the final ruling. Just so we can get denied the grant / loan later? Also I highly doubt Spirit is going to turn down the grant / loan especially after today's email from Ted.

Silver02ex 04-14-2020 08:40 PM


Originally Posted by HacksawDuggan (Post 3032445)
Frontier applied for exemption from 35 cities... don't know if the request was granted or not.Frontier requests an exemption from its Service Obligation under DOT Order 2020-4-2 to allow it to temporarily suspend service from April 13, 2020 through June 10, 2020 at the following 35 communities:

Albany, NY (ALB)
Billings, MT (BIL)
Bloomington, IL (BMI)
Boston, MA Metropolitan Region (BOS/PVD)1 Burlington, VT (BTV)

Buffalo, NY (BUF)
Bozeman, MT (BZN)
Cedar Rapids, IA (CID) Charlotte, NC (CLT) Columbus, OH (CMH) Colorado Springs, CO (COS) Detroit, MI (DTW)

El Paso, TX (ELP)
Fargo, ND (FAR)
Sioux Falls, SD (FSD)
Spokane, WA (GEG)
Green Bay, WI (GRB)
Grand Rapids, MI (GRR) Greenville/Spartanburg, SC (GSP) Harlingen, TX (HRL)

Huntsville, AL (HSV) Wichita, KS (ICT) Jacksonville, FL (JAX) Madison, WI (MSN) Norfolk, VA (ORF)
West Palm Beach, FL (PBI) Pittsburgh, PA (PIT)

Palm Springs, CA (PSP) Portland, ME (PWM) Raleigh/Durham, NC (RDU) Louisville, KY (SDF) Syracuse, NY (SYR)

Tyler, TX (TYR) Knoxville, TN (TYS)

I couldn't find the official request such as this one sent to the DOT, that's why i assume Frontier and Allegiant didn't ask for it

https://www.regulations.gov/document...2020-0037-0049

flyingpuma1 04-14-2020 09:04 PM

Only major airline with no bailout agreement?
 

Originally Posted by Silver02ex (Post 3032463)
I'm aware of that, and how do you know if the DOT approved JB's exemption or not? .


You’re right I have no idea if those exemptions were granted or not, all I know is JB (and Frontier who applied for exemptions) came to an agreement and thus far we have not.


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PilotMechanic 04-15-2020 03:15 AM


Originally Posted by Silver02ex (Post 3032466)
I couldn't find the official request such as this one sent to the DOT, that's why i assume Frontier and Allegiant didn't ask for it

https://www.regulations.gov/document...2020-0037-0049

https://www.regulations.gov/searchRe...R%2BPR%2BN%2BO


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