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New doctors are generally as poorly paid as first year NK FOs, but the ones I know mostly wear scrubs from the surgery suite locker room.

And while lawyers from the top tier law schools do quite OK, those from third tier schools don’t do real great either and can’t even wear scrubs to court:

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Do their fleeces have a 4-6 month ordering backlog? Asking for a friend.

Ohhhhhhh....
I get it, I'm suppose to freeze my ass off all winter, it looks more professional. Got it.

Just buy some generic black jacket from Costco. No one cares.

Yeah, why should anyone wear a uniform. Let’s just wear whatever Costco has in their bargain bin.

If the company provider is back ordered, what else are you supposed to do?

Sounds like an awesome question for your chief pilot. They write the manuals, theymake the rules. If someone can’t get a new jacket within 3 months, sounds like it’s an easy email to Rodosta and ask what his office wants pilots to do. Seems if I were a probationary pilot I would much rather get the answer from my boss vs going Costco because the interwebs said so.

It’s really not that hard. If they don’t have the piece available, you ask your boss what his plan is. If he says “wear Costco” then wear Costco, they write the manuals.

But if I were probationary, I would like to get my boss’ views before I color outside the lines. No matter how much forum folk say to do it.

Is this a thing in your base now or something? New hires specifically getting punished for uniform non compliance? I’ve literally never heard of this besides your single post here in over 5 years.

no….new hire FO’s leaving in droves. No shows in classes now. They don’t care as long as you show up to work looking somewhat like a pilot. Let them know how you feel during your exit interview in your way out to a legacy.

Yeah, that’s how I’ve always seen it too. Comical to think back ordered jacket compliance enforcement is on anyone’s to do list.

Nah, we have always had guys, new and old, dress like trash. Way before anyone ever knew the phrase “supply chain issues” we had guys wearing their north face jacket as their company jacket. The irony this thread is going on while another is requiring industry leading pay…

The question was “what’s the poor new FO supposed to do if they can’t get a jacket”. I said, “ask the CP and see what his plan is since he writes these manuals and knows there are no jacket”.

Does Spirit still do Perrone leather jackets?

Yes.

If you buy a leather or Karbon as a newhire, you can submit for expense reimbursement after 36 month. It’s ridiculous they make you wait, even more ridiculous is after 3 years you have to wait 6 years for your next leather or Karbon reimbursement.

One thing Jblue has, that we should keep, is uniform allowance vs the crap reissue we get every 18 months

Roger. What’s the best way to repurpose my leather jacket from my regional? I’ve worn it literally zero times. Is it just a different patch?

Probably a good question for Perrone but I know they are backed up. Curious who on here has done it and what they did…

Did that with my black jacket from a regional instead of buying Karbon. Put a Velcro patch over the previous company logo and attached Spirit wings to it. Works really well, get a lot of questions if this is a new style Karbon jacket lol. You can probably do the same with the leather, just need a brown velcro piece.

There’s no exterior patch on the Spirit leather jacket, just some grommets to affix your wings. Patch on the inside with your name and employee number for lost and found.

It’s the main reason I went for it before the Karbon jacket was a “thing”, because you can remove the wings and it’s just a low key leather bomber you can wear on cold layovers. Downside is it’s heavy to tote and once in a stuffy terminal it can get juicy wearing it to avoid carrying.

Just as a heads up, the “brand” department at b6 has more power than the B6 VP of flight ops. They axed the leather jacket, flight ops tried to get the karbon approved, got shot down, so B6 ended up with a Kim Jong Un wool overcoat (horrible for a pilot overcoat) and a $300 ($150 at macys or Amazon when it was in stock) all weather jacket (hart Schaffer Marx hartsdale or something like that). The obviously non-pilot B6 uniform people who live in a cubicle in NYC have the most atrocious taste, and they are cheap as hell so the quality of the uniforms is terrible. So, you have that to look forward to. Guess the point is, enjoy the Karbon and leather and normal uniforms while you can. If the merger goes through, you have a career full of uniform (among other) frustration to look forward to.

Cool. They come with just the blacked out patch to put in place of the company patch. Sounds like I could probably just affix some wings to that and be good to go.

Do not do this! And yes people care. There are three approved jacket options. It doesn’t have to be the Karbon. You don’t just wear whatever bc you don’t like the blazer or the leather jacket.

Management needs the JCBA more than the pilots do. If you don’t have the leverage today to insure a good looking comfortable uniform, when would you?

And no, I wouldn’t give up a damn thing for it. Try a nonnegotiable demand - after they’ve bought the NK shares. Bet it’ll work.

”Care” as in you’ll report the violator to pro standards or the chief pilot?

Or “care” as in you’ll awkwardly confront them about dressing and looking the part as a professional while wearing your stained unironed oversized shirt that still can’t hide your paunch, unhemmed pants and scuffed up pleather slip ons? And if this doesn’t describe you, and you’re hell bent on single-handedly cleaning up the group’s image, I’ve just described the targets you should be going after.

Just wear the approved uniform in a neat clean fashion and stop making your own rules. Costco or north face jackets are not approved

So what is a new hire that comes on the line in December to use when their jackets are backlogged 3 months? I had to use my black north face jacket for over a month waiting on my winter jacket to arrive. I know when I joined Envoy (shivers) many years ago, a box full of winter jackets and uniforms showed up at my front porch. Hell they even had us get fitted. It the airline cares that much about how the uniform looks or if you have the right jacket, they need to be the ones providing them in a timely manner.

You’re telling me ALL three jacket options are backlogged three months?

I did three winters in just the blazer. You’re outside for five minutes a day when on duty. It’s fine.

Did the same, made it work. Outside the airport if it was freaking cold I’d throw on the packable Patagonia.

Blazers are available to ship now, they are not backordered. I know the Karbon is back ordered 2-3 months.

I get why someone doesn’t want to order a blazer while they wait for a Karbon. I get why guys wear a pullover jacket on walk arounds while waiting for their Karbon. I don’t get why people don’t order any jacket and think a fleece zip up is ok to wear in the terminal.

As Sioux said, staying warm while outside the terminal isn’t what anyone is talking about.

So like I said there are three jacket options to wear while in uniform and one is available now. There is zero reason to be “doing your own thing” uniform wise.

Yes they were, when I was hired right when training started back during Covid. I am glad you made it three winters in the blazer, that still doesn't make it right does it?
Fair enough and I admit, I am fighting as the devils advocate here. I can get behind this argument, where the approved blazer inside, toss on something warm for the walk around.
See above, I can agree with this.

Bump: Still searching for a medium
 

still looking for a medium if anyone has one theyre looking to part with!

Does anyone know the vendor for the approved visor?

I want to start looking like an assistant high school football coach.

I hear if you order one now it will ship sometime in 2026

Plus side when it arrives you’ll be able to get reimbursed for your order right away

I ordered one (medium size) on July 22, it shipped on 9/10. So it’s a 7 week wait.

Mine shipped today. I ordered 1-2 months ago and was reimbursed 1-2 months ago as well. Complaining about not having a winter jacket for work is like saying you haven’t eaten all day at work. It’s your fault…

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Look for Medium Karbon Jacket
 

Looking for a Medium Karbon Jacket - someone from Colombia is wearing mine after I lost it in customs in MIA, rrrgh. (Spirit FO)

Thanks,
DM if you'd like.

ok this is goodish news. I ordered earlier this month so hopefully I’ll have mine mid October!

Where can you try them on?

Ordered mine early August, just received it.

Alright maybe by the end of October then ha.

Looking for a Medium Karbon Jacket
 

Please DM me if you have a medium jacket you'd like to sell

I think the flight ops people in the crew rooms have uniform samples you can try. The Karbon jacket runs big. I generally wear medium but went with a small for the Karbon. Fits well, actually even slightly loose.