Anyone coming off EIL early?
 

Reading the MEC email, anyone who has taken an EIL can come back early if they choose.

I’m staying on my EIL

Anyone thinking of heading back?

I’ll stay home as long as I can. Unless they offer an “incentive” to come back early-which I don’t see happening

I’m flying charter until next OCT . Not coming back anytime soon


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Did the PSP2 pass, I thought it still had to be signed into law first. Everyone seems to think it’s a done deal.

or am I mistaken?

Reading comprehension. Spirit is offering voluntary return outside of payroll protection independent of the MOU.

At first I thought I might come back early from my 6 month but I'm thinking if I wait till April my check ride month should be rebased. I don't enjoy having PC's in the summer and PT's at Xmas so I think I may stay out until the end.

Should be a bunch of guys coming back in April and needing training, should be a backlog getting to the sim, hence pay protection. Wouldn’t surprise me if many of us still have much of April off with pay protected trips, waiting to get into the sim and ground school.

ive had sim in dec for years, usually works great for getting back-door access to holidays off if you get sim late in the month

email from company specifically states bringing people back in a manner to avoid a backlog it seems..

Being as this was all voluntary from the beginning, I would be surprised if many people decide they want to come back to work.

I'm thinking about coming back being that the furlough/downgrade threat has been mitigated for now. I'm in a position that I don't really need the extra money, but I'm bored out of my mind since international travel has not opened up as much as I had hoped.

What is the math on coming back early? By flying 72 hours a captain is making $70 an hour and an FO $35ish?

2 ways to look at it

The math on how much more you will get paid coming back early vs 50 hours

Or if you come back early, you can fly your first 50 hours for free each month, money you were guaranteed to still get while at home

I personally chose the latter view on it; resizing if I would go back early, I would get 3 4-day trips and then realize the first 2 trips pay the same I would get at home, and only “in the money” on the 3rd trip

That's only for line holders. Back in September I was on LCR and never got called. Obviously it won't always be like that, but if reserves are not flying all that much then it makes sense to come back early if you were just sitting at home on EIL anyway.

I guess it just depends on how people look at it. Most of us were LCR and growing roots in late summer. But I still was on reserve, and had to be prepared to work IF called. Some people count unused reserve days as “days off” and some as “work days”. The one thing I can control is on EIL, my phone will never ring.

Nice thing is people can go back if they want or stay out

The 24 hour long call is as close to a day off as you can get while still being on the hook with the company. But I feel short call is still very much a work day. I’ve basically forgotten which days I’m working with the new LCR.

I hope it never goes away...

The company is paying EIL/VIL holders 50 hours a month out of their pocket.

CARES 2 would pay employees 72 hours a month out of the tax payers pocket.

Wouldn't it be prudent to offer all EIL/VIL holders the option to return and still remain on no obligation to get the tax payers to cover the bill? I know CARES 1 didn't cover 100% of the employee cost but as it stands now NK is funding 100% of it. I've paid 0 attention to the 'give me more money' war cries so I may be way, way off on how this works.

Just don’t be the unlucky one that gets converted to short call. At least they can only to it to you once a month for four days involuntary.

I don't think the "once a month" is correct. I've already been converted 2 times during different weeks.

It’s not once a month...it’s 4 days total involuntary. They can do it whenever they want.

Read how Halon posted the incorrect language. Doesn’t it seem “too Halon” to post inaccurate info just to stir something up?

Reminds me of Jyri. Always wondered what side of the above example his memos fell on.

That man.... It was which vegetable in which orifice again???
Pretty much the SAME management team we work for now.... Where’s my quid?

You guys are stupid, they can convert you 4 blocks of days at a time. And they can only do it once involuntarily...Believe what you want though.

Lol ok dude...why don’t you take a look at the contract again.

They did it to me 3 days last week, then one day this week. And I don't think they did anything wrong. If so, please show me the language and I'll put in a grievance now!

LCR days may be converted to no more than four (4) SCR RAPs in a bid month without the pilot’s con- currence. Conversion to a SCR RAP that spans 0000 LDT is considered a single conversion occurrence. One (1) LCR day may be converted to a single RAP per occurrence (e.g. LCR 18JUN to R19 18JUN= 1 conversion occurrence).
3) Each of the first four (4) conversions in any bid month will be credited one (1) hour above guar- antee. Each subsequent conversion(s) in the month will be credited two (2) hours above guarantee per occurrence.

I know, I was being facetious, it doesn't say that they can only do it one time a month.

Sandy and her team in HR do a great job of weeding out the d****bags but occasionally a Halon falls through the cracks.

Yes I did! Hey but you had a better story...something about Jyri and a glory hole.