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ORD Growth, Future Plans
Anyone have any info on projected growth for Chicago-O’Hare? Additional gates, additional growth? Also, anyone have any word on what Spirit’s plans are with the O’Hare 21 project? Moving to T5?
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Word on the street is we'll be moving to Terminal 5 once all the construction is done. That should get us a few additional gates and enable growth in ORD. Until then, still somewhat gate limited.
Also for new hire purposes, ORD isn't ultra-junior but is still relatively quick to hold, maybe 1-3 months historically. Covid paused everything, but the vacancy that just closed had more Chicago openings. |
Several new hires are going to ORD
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Originally Posted by MCDUmanipulator
(Post 3214450)
Several new hires are going to ORD
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Originally Posted by badtransam97
(Post 3214475)
What would be a realistic timeframe to hold a line in ORD?
Back in 2019 it took me 4 months, but that was when we were only hiring 6 a month. Then it blew up and hired 64+ a month and got it. Again, we are hiring close to 400 or more this year. It won’t take that long. |
Originally Posted by badtransam97
(Post 3214475)
What would be a realistic timeframe to hold a line in ORD?
But if you are coming in from a regional, by comparison it’s all going to be good regardless - at least once you get off first year pay. |
Originally Posted by Excargodog
(Post 3214500)
As the MCDU post indicated, you would have to actually be in training and HAVE a seniority number, even if your type rating wasn’t complete. NK is hiring enough that the majority of new hires will likely have their base of choice before actually getting done with OE. Of course, that’s to be low man on the totem pole on reserve there. The real seniority issue will be where you can most quickly hold a line, since more senior people from other bases can still bid in above you. That won’t displace you, but it will slow your progression to lineholder.
But if you are coming in from a regional, by comparison it’s all going to be good regardless - at least once you get off first year pay. |
Originally Posted by badtransam97
(Post 3214546)
I’m coming from Atlas..it has to be better, even as a commuter haha!
You’ll move up quick as an FO, probably only spend a handful of months on reserve once they’re hiring aggressively. Reserve isn’t bad at all if you live in base. Commuting to reserve is a nightmare no matter where you are unless you like sitting around in crashpads or hotels. |
In other news, looks like we are trying to grow in The ATL.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ajc...outputType=amp |
Originally Posted by Halon1211
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In other news, looks like we are trying to grow in The ATL.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ajc...outputType=amp |
Originally Posted by Macjet
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Most of Atlanta is more of a Spirit type customer than Delta anyways so it would make senze thax wii gruw their two.
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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
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I see what you did there......and it’s hilarious.
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Originally Posted by Macjet
(Post 3215566)
Most of Atlanta is more of a Spirit type customer than Delta anyways so it would make senze thax wii gruw their two.
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Originally Posted by Macjet
(Post 3215566)
Most of Atlanta is more of a Spirit type customer than Delta anyways so it would make senze thax wii gruw their two.
I haven't woke up yet :D |
Originally Posted by spirited
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If you state the truth like that, does that make it racist?
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Originally Posted by Poppachubby
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What isn't racist these days...nauseating.......
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Originally Posted by korg128
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good point allot of racist things getting exposed these days.. its a good thing
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Originally Posted by Halon1211
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yes it is. Like the President picking cabinet members based off of race instead of being the most qualified for the job.
It is race AND gender. (or failing that - gender identity) |
Originally Posted by Excargodog
(Post 3216656)
Incorrect! Fake news!
It is race AND gender. (or failing that - gender identity) |
Originally Posted by korg128
(Post 3216513)
good point allot of racist things getting exposed these days.. its a good thing
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Originally Posted by Halon1211
(Post 3216648)
yes it is. Like the President picking cabinet members based off of race instead of being the most qualified for the job.
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Is this about ORD, or a bunch of white people ****ed off at things???
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More ATL gates, please.....
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Yay! Politics again! Can’t wait to see how many minds get changed this time.
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Originally Posted by ScrappyCocoa
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As opposed to the guy before him who selected his cabinet members based who donated the most to his campaign?
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Originally Posted by CLE to IAH
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Yay! Politics again! Can’t wait to see how many minds get changed this time.
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Originally Posted by TransWorld
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Waiting for chocolate to be called racist. Even worse, white chocolate will be discovered to be white supremacist.
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Originally Posted by Deathwish
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what if it’s chocolate with nuts?
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I will renounce my citizenship the day Sexual Chocolate references are removed from Coming to America.
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So yeah, OP, hope that all answers your question.
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Originally Posted by Rocinante
(Post 3217189)
So yeah, OP, hope that all answers your question.
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Ha, sorry for the thread drift, but good on you for doing your due diligence. As most people have said now, you could probably go to Spirit or Frontier, have a happy career, and retire at 65 feeling you made a good decision.
That being said, if all else is equal and you have/get offers from both, Spirit's ORD base is a little larger, so that's as good a tie breaker as any. And like I said, we have tentative plans to expand in ORD once construction finishes too. Combine that with Spirit's aircraft orders for system-wide growth (plus incredible schedule flexibility), and I'd say come on over! But hey, everyone I know at Frontier is happy too. |
Originally Posted by Rocinante
(Post 3217269)
Ha, sorry for the thread drift, but good on you for doing your due diligence. As most people have said now, you could probably go to Spirit or Frontier, have a happy career, and retire at 65 feeling you made a good decision.
That being said, if all else is equal and you have/get offers from both, Spirit's ORD base is a little larger, so that's as good a tie breaker as any. And like I said, we have tentative plans to expand in ORD once construction finishes too. Combine that with Spirit's aircraft orders for system-wide growth (plus incredible schedule flexibility), and I'd say come on over! But hey, everyone I know at Frontier is happy too. |
You can't take the Razorback!
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It will be impressive...
...if Spirit management can really pull it off.
Here is a transcript of the latest NK earnings call: https://www.fool.com/earnings/call-t...-call-transcr/ Those contemplating applying to Spirit ought to give it a read. A few excepts: For the full-year 2021, we estimate capacity will be about flat on a year over two-year basis. Given some of the skewed comparisons, I want to clarify our capacity plans for the next several years. Our base plan assumes capacity for the full-year 2022 will be up about 30% compared to 2021. In 2023, the year-over-year growth rates should normalize back to our typical 14 to 17% compounded annual growth rate. Regarding our fleet, During the first quarter, we took delivery of two direct leased A320neo aircraft. We ended the first quarter with 159 aircraft in our fleet. By the end of the first quarter, we had 12 of our 31 A319s back into service, and we expect to have about 20 in service by the end of the second quarter. During the quarter, we completed a purchase of two A319s off-lease. This was a quick developing transaction and was not contemplated in our previous capex guidance. We have also elected to reaccelerate our seat replacement program. With these changes, our new total capital expenditure estimate for 2021 is now between 220 to $250 million. When we placed our fleet order in late 2019, we knew the order would not fill our entire capacity need, particularly in the early years. Since then, we have been able to move a few deliveries around to plug some of the holes in our delivery stream. During the first quarter, we accelerated six deliveries from 2025 and 2026 into 2023. There's a modest increase in PDPs for 2021 driven by these accelerations. We will also be looking to secure a few additional 2022 and 2023 deliveries, most likely from lesser capacity to fund our targeted 14 to 17% capacity growth target. Right now, we have 319s that we're bringing out of the desert. And so, we're flying probably about an equivalent number of aircraft as we did in 2019, probably around 140-ish aircraft. And so, we have a crew level that is pretty similar. And -- but we're going to have to hire a large number of crew between now and the end of the year because the fleet will grow from an operated fleet from 140 to the end of the year, we'll have 173-ish aircraft. So that's a pretty quick additional aircraft plus bringing the aircraft back on to service. So that sort of infrastructure component is what we're talking about when we mentioned it on the last call of about a 30 million number of additional expense, which is going to be maintenance and getting crew, flight attendants and pilots and some mechanics back into the fold so that we can handle the aircraft level by the end of the year. |
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