You have been here long enough to know how this goes. As FNG says, call the CP on duty, simple. All scheduling is going to say is "we are working on it" or "the cancelation team is handling it"

Disagree. There are no serious restraint of trade issues with the Sprontier merger.

Completely agree with this. My worry, though, is that logic won’t matter because we are dealing with an administration that makes nonsensical, knee-jerk decisions all the time. They don’t use facts and logic, they use fairy dust and unicorns to make decisions, and then gaslight the public about it when they get called out.

Know what'll cause higher ticket prices? Out of control inflation. Skyrocketing oil too. Maybe those knuckleheads should keep their eye on the ball and stop playing in the dirt in right field.

These economic illiterates don’t understand that raising ticket prices kills the model because we don’t offer the amenities that the more expensive airlines do. Basically, it’s grandstanding by those who couldn’t be bothered to know or care for those who don’t care that they don’t care.

Not if SAVE-ULCC raise prices in proportion to LCC/Legacy price hikes

Right. They don't have to be cheap, they just have to cost less than the next least expensive option.

I wouldn’t put much stock in any letter written for or against the merger. Most likely the merger will happen because people in high places will be paid to make it happen. That said they aren’t wrong in saying it could make customer service worse, I mean we (and frontier) aren’t exactly known for our customer service, and the fact that we have a lot of overlap isn’t a good thing either, but again pretty sure it will happen as someone will be paid to make it happen.


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Yes. That was a given. Everyone’s prices are going up due to inflation, oil and labor shortages, but the ULCC’s raising their prices more than the Legacies to close the gap or bring it close kills their model. I’ll try to be clearer in the future.

Not sure what you are talking about.

Google mergers blocked by the Biden Administration. There's multiple pages of examples. This merger is definitely no guarantee.

Current reigning champion of the internet.

Again, can anyone provide any specifics?

There aren’t any. These are people who saw a seniority list spread sheet someone did and saw that with a date of hire integration, some people on the seniority list would lose a few points of relative seniority. And then we have Frontier pilots who look at another spreadsheet and see a relative seniority integration has them junior to Spirit people who have less longevity as they do. Meanwhile this back room seniority list integration game has zero to do with reality and what an arbitrator will eventually decide.

So probably people need to take a breath, grow up, and realize this isn’t the end of the world. Personally I would be more concerned with a displacement bid coming in days vs seniority list integration methods that people are pulling out their back sides.

The SLI will be arbitrated as they all are. Anyone claiming Spirit pilots will be the big loser is speculating out of their outflow valves.

Ask around. Not posting on here. For your health.

Ask around for peoples opinion based on their own speculation. Yup, reliable info. Ask them too what the new company name will be, the new CEO and the next base, all wild guessed.

For your health, don’t get wrapped up in speculation from those who speculate just to be negative.

Nothing but positves coming our way! What could go wrong? Management said this is gonna be the best merger ever!

So of course, assume it will be a spirit pilot screwing merger at the hands of the Frontier pilot overlords. That seems logical.

From Barclays fireside chat - 2/24/22

Barry: there's no black
cloud out there regardless of what you're
hearing. We have 10 applicants for every
one opening we have. We have seen a
slight uptick in attrition but we are a
growth business and that just means we
have to get creative with sim availability
and training throughput. Our analysis
shows that even if I have to open a flight
academy and train every pilot I need from
zero hours it will cost me $30M per year.
That's less than 1% of revenue and will
not hurt my business. Pilots only care
about money and lifestyle. We have the
money part covered. They will make the
same money here as they would at Delta
because we upgrade so much quicker.
Our combined airline will have more
bases and lifestyle will be great for them.
I'm not worried about pilots.
Ted: like Barry, we have seen a small
uptick in attrition but we also have more
than enough applicants and are still filling
classes but we are also increasing our
training capabilities.

Old news, they are selling the merger to the board/investors/government.

What do you think they will say? Haha. Seriously.

This is the 800 lb gorilla that our 'this is better than my regional' pilot groups can't seem to wrap their 'topless' heads around. Both groups are going to get Brandoned with the seniority stagnation and NK pilots won't even get a reach around having to work for Franke. This is the worst possible outcome for both groups and one can only hope that this merger is denied. Perhaps SPA MEC can make use of some of our M/A cheese to attempt to put a stop to this.

not that you’re not correct about some of this but for someone who preaches as much crap as you do I guess now is the time to sht or get off the pot. I imagine FO’s love listening to you preach about the orange man and bag on this place even though you’ll never leave.

Haha, poor reserve FOs.

The reality is that this merger is much bigger than anyone’s individual seniority. To think differently is short sighted and, frankly, selfish. The post-covid aviation industry is a brave new world when it comes to competition. The pre-covid koolaid from both companies about kicking butt and taking names is cute, but is now nothing more than a battle cry that could very easily be snuffed out if left to their individual means. Together, overnight Frontierit will become a size that could legitimately and fiercely compete in this new market.

Would slow organic growth better benefit each individual pilot in the short term? Absolutely! But, this career is about the long game. Not what’s happening tomorrow. There will be short term pain for some people, but once the merger waves subside, we will all be better for it in the long run. This isn’t about what’s best for any individual, it’s about what’s best for both groups as a whole going forward. Seniority doesn’t mean squat if your airline ends up as a chapter in a history book. Personally, I’m more than happy to give up a little seniority now for a better chance at job security and bigger seniority gains over the next 10, 15, 20+ years.

The DOJ cannot unilaterally block a merger. Just like the American US Airways merger which the DOJ opposed, they couldn’t prevent it. If the DOJ opposes a merger, the parties to the merger can fight it in court where a judge decides. That’s what happened with the American/Airways merger. The DOJ’s argument and data didn’t persuade the judge into thinking it violated antitrust laws and so it was approved with minor concessions.


I though that the SWA/ATN merger did not got to arbitration? I do know that the ASA/XJT SLI didn’t. It was mutually agreed upon by the merger committees without the use of a mediator, let along an arbitrator.