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dualinput 04-08-2022 07:48 AM

I’d like to congratulate some FOs
 
Chaos creates cash. Never been a better time in the right seat to capitalize on the low staffing and meltdowns. Looks like almost all of the premium pay going out is FOs and all bases are sharing the love. Some of the totals I’m seeing are impressive and it’s not just a couple it’s many. Good job! Now stop complaining about meltdowns

I would like to know how one person can be on both the MCO and LGA Y list though. Can’t exactly report to both of those within 3hrs

B200 Hawk 04-08-2022 11:48 AM


Originally Posted by dualinput (Post 3402692)
Chaos creates cash. Never been a better time in the right seat to capitalize on the low staffing and meltdowns. Looks like almost all of the premium pay going out is FOs and all bases are sharing the love. Some of the totals I’m seeing are impressive and it’s not just a couple it’s many. Good job! Now stop complaining about meltdowns

I would like to know how one person can be on both the MCO and LGA Y list though. Can’t exactly report to both of those within 3hrs

2 homes maybe? Don't have to pick up your phone, listen to VM and decide if that pairing fits your location.

CincoDeMayo 04-08-2022 12:19 PM


Originally Posted by B200 Hawk (Post 3402856)
2 homes maybe? Don't have to pick up your phone, listen to VM and decide if that pairing fits your location.

Yup, nothing contractual says they can’t. Just can’t pick the phone up if they call.

SpeedBrakes 04-08-2022 02:31 PM

Whoring one's self out to help this company float, I love it!
Plan on being an X Lister ***** in LAS when I get displaced,

CincoDeMayo 04-08-2022 02:35 PM


Originally Posted by SpeedBrakes (Post 3402956)
Whoring one's self out to help this company float, I love it!
Plan on being an X Lister ***** in LAS when I get displaced,

Slow it up. Nothing wrong with guys making 200% within the contract when the company meltdowns. They are not "helping the company" out, they are making 200%+ by enjoying how ridiculously inept this company is.

flyingmonkeys 04-08-2022 05:30 PM

I credited 153 hours in March. Looking forward to that 4/15 cash!!

dualinput 04-08-2022 05:42 PM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3402874)
Yup, nothing contractual says they can’t. Just can’t pick the phone up if they call.

I guess that’s true

IamEssential 04-09-2022 05:57 AM


Originally Posted by dualinput (Post 3402692)
Chaos creates cash. Never been a better time in the right seat to capitalize on the low staffing and meltdowns. Looks like almost all of the premium pay going out is FOs and all bases are sharing the love. Some of the totals I’m seeing are impressive and it’s not just a couple it’s many. Good job! Now stop complaining about meltdowns

I would like to know how one person can be on both the MCO and LGA Y list though. Can’t exactly report to both of those within 3hrs

Okay? Well at first year pay I've only accepted one out of ten requests this year, and that was only because it had an overnight I wanted. Otherwise I'd rather enjoy my days off than premium at first year pay.

dualinput 04-09-2022 11:54 AM


Originally Posted by IamEssential (Post 3403283)
Okay? Well at first year pay I've only accepted one out of ten requests this year, and that was only because it had an overnight I wanted. Otherwise I'd rather enjoy my days off than premium at first year pay.

It was actually a congratulatory comment not a dig. Get it when you can. It’s the best time in this company’s history for the FOs to get this much premium. Captains not so much but can enjoy a green grid.

IamEssential 04-09-2022 01:01 PM


Originally Posted by dualinput (Post 3403512)
It was actually a congratulatory comment not a dig. Get it when you can. It’s the best time in this company’s history for the FOs to get this much premium. Captains not so much but can enjoy a green grid.

and my post wasnt a dig on you but rather a commentary on the company's horrible first year compensation when compared to other places in today's market.

Excargodog 04-09-2022 01:45 PM


Originally Posted by IamEssential (Post 3403537)
and my post wasnt a dig on you but rather a commentary on the company's horrible first year compensation when compared to other places in today's market.

Which, God-willing, a JCBA with B6 will take care of.

The rules have changed. Companies are going to survive or fold on FO retention and overall QOL. Read the AS thread if you think otherwise. They ARE (technically) a legacy and
a 12 year CA is pulling $266 (+15.5% DC) on a contract already up for renewal. But they are struggling to staff and retain at the FO level with a first year FO pay of only $93 (+15.5%).

They aren’t losing senior CAs (except to retirement), not even the VX guys that are bitter about the JFK closure, but they sure are FOs. Even WN has identified that their FOs aren’t competitive and they’ll need to address that in the next contract.

dualinput 04-10-2022 03:38 AM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3403564)
Which, God-willing, a JCBA with B6 will take care of.

The rules have changed. Companies are going to survive or fold on FO retention and overall QOL. Read the AS thread if you think otherwise. They ARE (technically) a legacy and
a 12 year CA is pulling $266 (+15.5% DC) on a contract already up for renewal. But they are struggling to staff and retain at the FO level with a first year FO pay of only $93 (+15.5%).

They aren’t losing senior CAs (except to retirement), not even the VX guys that are bitter about the JFK closure, but they sure are FOs. Even WN has identified that their FOs aren’t competitive and they’ll need to address that in the next contract.

We won’t see a JCBA with either company for a couple years. As we know from the last two years, a lot can change in that timeline.

Conquistador27 04-10-2022 05:16 AM


Originally Posted by dualinput (Post 3403764)
We won’t see a JCBA with either company for a couple years. As we know from the last two years, a lot can change in that timeline.


So just to clarify. You think they would spend all this time selling this to investors, shareholders and the federal government, eventually, possibly getting it approved only to not be able to combine for a few years because of a JCBA?

PossibleDeviation 04-10-2022 05:20 AM


Originally Posted by Conquistador27 (Post 3403784)
So just to clarify. You think they would spend all this time selling this to investors, shareholders and the federal government, eventually, possibly getting it approved only to not be able to combine for a few years because of a JCBA?

Yea that makes no sense. If no JCBA is agreed upon in the next two years then the merging airline will be getting a drastically different airline than they anticipated. Once the DOJ approves whichever merger is brought to them a JCBA will need to be accomplished soon afterwards.

CLE to IAH 04-10-2022 06:53 AM


Originally Posted by Conquistador27 (Post 3403784)
So just to clarify. You think they would spend all this time selling this to investors, shareholders and the federal government, eventually, possibly getting it approved only to not be able to combine for a few years because of a JCBA?

thats not what he wrote. He said we don’t see one for a couple years. He didn’t say “after the transaction is complete”

Conquistador27 04-10-2022 07:24 AM


Originally Posted by CLE to IAH (Post 3403821)
thats not what he wrote. He said we don’t see one for a couple years. He didn’t say “after the transaction is complete”

Yes, he said we won’t see one for a couple of years. Which means if the transaction is completed by the end of this year, which is what both airlines have said they are shooting for, then that won’t combine for another year, year and a half because of the JCBA? And then it will take a little after that to actually finish combining. Out of curiosity, and I’ll have to look it up because I don’t know, how long after approval of AS/VA did they have a JCBA?

dualinput 04-10-2022 08:24 AM


Originally Posted by Conquistador27 (Post 3403843)
Yes, he said we won’t see one for a couple of years. Which means if the transaction is completed by the end of this year, which is what both airlines have said they are shooting for, then that won’t combine for another year, year and a half because of the JCBA? And then it will take a little after that to actually finish combining. Out of curiosity, and I’ll have to look it up because I don’t know, how long after approval of AS/VA did they have a JCBA?

Alaska had an arbitration clause in their contract already that allowed the JCBA to be arbitrated I believe. Neither us nor JB or frontier have such thing thankfully.

CLE to IAH 04-10-2022 08:32 AM


Originally Posted by Conquistador27 (Post 3403843)
Yes, he said we won’t see one for a couple of years. Which means if the transaction is completed by the end of this year, which is what both airlines have said they are shooting for, then that won’t combine for another year, year and a half because of the JCBA? And then it will take a little after that to actually finish combining. Out of curiosity, and I’ll have to look it up because I don’t know, how long after approval of AS/VA did they have a JCBA?

you’re still putting words in his mouth. The timeline of the transaction was never mentioned. You did that.

cantflylist 04-10-2022 10:13 AM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3403564)
The rules have changed. Companies are going to survive or fold on FO retention and overall QOL. Read the AS thread if you think otherwise. They ARE (technically) a legacy and
a 12 year CA is pulling $266 (+15.5% DC) on a contract already up for renewal. But they are struggling to staff and retain at the FO level with a first year FO pay of only $93 (+15.5%).

They aren’t losing senior CAs (except to retirement), not even the VX guys that are bitter about the JFK closure, but they sure are FOs. Even WN has identified that their FOs aren’t competitive and they’ll need to address that in the next contract.

^^^^ THIS ^^^^


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