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GrumpyCaptain 04-11-2022 10:10 AM

LEC 77 vote
 
Only 1 fo is running for lec rep out of dfw/las.

Seriously! 1 of the 6 (or is it 8?) votes for things like our integrated seniority list, jcba and whatever else happens this summer.

None of the complainers on here want to run!?!

CincoDeMayo 04-11-2022 11:56 AM

Apathy is contagious.


Taking a step back I’ll say this. Besides the one email we got from the MEC Chair last week, why has there been complete silence from the MEC during this 2 week meltdown? Seriously nothing from them?!

On a related note to why we lose so many volunteers, ol SM is at it again. Going after SV in an instructor chat. Because SV had the “nerve” to voice disappointment with the MEC involvement right now as it relates to communication with the pilots during these meltdowns. SM is the guy we have running out NC and this guy once again shows how if anyone speaks up, he will attack them.

So in review: 1 pilot out of 400 will run for FO rep. The NC Chairman still controls the MEC ANR anyone who speaks out is attacked and our current MEC is as quiet as they can be while we have pilots being rescheduled and rerouted daily with no communication from the company or the union.

Maybe with one of these mergers we can clean house

Cyio 04-11-2022 12:19 PM

There has to be something we can do as a pilot group to get people out of positions they either don’t belong in or are abusing.

CincoDeMayo 04-11-2022 12:29 PM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 3404496)
There has to be something we can do as a pilot group to get people out of positions they either don’t belong in or are abusing.

You can recall elected officers. Committee chairmen are elected by the reps we send in. Since I’ve been here there have been a few coups by the LEC members to oust the sitting “regime”. So it starts and ends with our elected LEC members, basically the 6 of them. Which is why when we get 1 person running for one of the 6, it’s disheartening.

MCDUmanipulator 04-11-2022 01:06 PM

Probably only one FO ran because everyone else is planning on getting out of here in the near future.

Meep 04-11-2022 01:28 PM


Originally Posted by MCDUmanipulator (Post 3404537)
Probably only one FO ran because everyone else is planning on getting out of here in the near future.

This, these constant meltdowns won’t help retention.

Cyio 04-11-2022 01:41 PM


Originally Posted by MCDUmanipulator (Post 3404537)
Probably only one FO ran because everyone else is planning on getting out of here in the near future.

I would be willing to bet that there are some who are close to being off probation that would have run.

8JRMfortheyear 04-12-2022 06:11 AM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3404481)
Apathy is contagious.


Taking a step back I’ll say this. Besides the one email we got from the MEC Chair last week, why has there been complete silence from the MEC during this 2 week meltdown? Seriously nothing from them?!

On a related note to why we lose so many volunteers, ol SM is at it again. Going after SV in an instructor chat. Because SV had the “nerve” to voice disappointment with the MEC involvement right now as it relates to communication with the pilots during these meltdowns. SM is the guy we have running out NC and this guy once again shows how if anyone speaks up, he will attack them.

So in review: 1 pilot out of 400 will run for FO rep. The NC Chairman still controls the MEC ANR anyone who speaks out is attacked and our current MEC is as quiet as they can be while we have pilots being rescheduled and rerouted daily with no communication from the company or the union.

Maybe with one of these mergers we can clean house


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 3404496)
There has to be something we can do as a pilot group to get people out of positions they either don’t belong in or are abusing.


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3404512)
You can recall elected officers. Committee chairmen are elected by the reps we send in. Since I’ve been here there have been a few coups by the LEC members to oust the sitting “regime”. So it starts and ends with our elected LEC members, basically the 6 of them. Which is why when we get 1 person running for one of the 6, it’s disheartening.


All of this! Why bother anymore?

3inthegreen 04-13-2022 12:29 PM

Our pilot group is the most apathetic group of all the majors. Council 18 did a meeting a few months back and had ZERO pilots show up for it. Not at all surprised to see only 1 person run for 77.

CincoDeMayo 04-13-2022 01:39 PM


Originally Posted by 3inthegreen (Post 3405688)
Our pilot group is the most apathetic group of all the majors. Council 18 did a meeting a few months back and had ZERO pilots show up for it. Not at all surprised to see only 1 person run for 77.

Wait until you see picketing events.

Cyio 04-13-2022 02:23 PM

Maybe if lec 77 did all of the meetings at 2am more would show.

CincoDeMayo 04-13-2022 03:01 PM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 3405735)
Maybe if lec 77 did all of the meetings at 2am more would show.

Or do it virtual.

flyguyniner11 04-13-2022 03:07 PM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3404481)
Apathy is contagious.


Taking a step back I’ll say this. Besides the one email we got from the MEC Chair last week, why has there been complete silence from the MEC during this 2 week meltdown? Seriously nothing from them?!

On a related note to why we lose so many volunteers, ol SM is at it again. Going after SV in an instructor chat. Because SV had the “nerve” to voice disappointment with the MEC involvement right now as it relates to communication with the pilots during these meltdowns. SM is the guy we have running out NC and this guy once again shows how if anyone speaks up, he will attack them.

So in review: 1 pilot out of 400 will run for FO rep. The NC Chairman still controls the MEC ANR anyone who speaks out is attacked and our current MEC is as quiet as they can be while we have pilots being rescheduled and rerouted daily with no communication from the company or the union.

Maybe with one of these mergers we can clean house

you know SM isn’t the NC chair right?

CincoDeMayo 04-13-2022 06:35 PM


Originally Posted by flyguyniner11 (Post 3405755)
you know SM isn’t the NC chair right?

Yes, NC member. PS has tenure on the committee once MM left so he is the chair. Ill just leave it at the way he attacked Scott is typical and unprofessional at the least


As Scott said on that chat after SM attacked him, "This is who is on your Negotiating Committee folks". At least with a JCBA, his impact will be muted a bit

Cyio 04-14-2022 05:33 AM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3405844)
Yes, NC member. PS has tenure on the committee once MM left so he is the chair. Ill just leave it at the way he attacked Scott is typical and unprofessional at the least


As Scott said on that chat after SM attacked him, "This is who is on your Negotiating Committee folks". At least with a JCBA, his impact will be muted a bit

Thank goodness. Also, +1 for virtual meetings if that is even an option.

SpeedBrakes 04-14-2022 03:51 PM


Originally Posted by flyguyniner11 (Post 3405755)
you know SM isn’t the NC chair right?

Thank God!


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