JetBlue negotiation dates
 

They are negotiating today and tomorrow with last dates scheduled for Jan 10 and 11.

I don’t think it’s a huge coincidence that our vote closes on January 10th before we most likely will see the massive raises the JetBlue pilots come up with on the 11th.

This entire package is garbage. Terrible TA with zero snap up, union telling us we can have multiple “bites of the apple” when economic improvements are not at all common in a TPA, then the JetBlue negotiations ending the day after our vote closes.

We’ve never had more leverage to send something back for a redo. We need to get it now. There is more to give! Snap up should be a no brainer. A different pay scale at the return to profitably is the least they could have offered if they want to cry poor now. Anyone remember “spirit will never be public why get stock”?

Honestly even outside of our crap ta this is enough reason to say no. How stupid are we going to look if we settle for less than Alaska/legacy old rates and jb gets massive gains. Out of spite I almost want the yes vote to go through so every yes voter gets a swift kick in the groin. Granted if they aren't smart enough to realize the position we're in I doubt they'd care.

Why does everyone assume JB is getting “massive gains”, lol.? When have they ever received “Massive gains”.

anyway, the timing is definitely a little suspect, lol.

There's more to give? So you've gotten the full briefing from ALPA's Economic and Financial Analysis department?

Their current rates are in line with our TA.

A pay snap up could be tied to a failed merger, then we wouldn’t have to worry about lost leverage. If the merger is so certain then it doesn’t cost a thing.

Their current rates are lower than the TA across the board, but don’t let facts get in the way of a good narrative. Their new deal will very likely be higher, yes, but let’s stick to facts.

They’re at $283/hour for an A320CA at 12 years putting them on par on rates until Alaska just voted in their TA.

I do actually wonder what management values the reserve grid rules and drop to zero at. Not saying we would ever vote to trade them for money, but in a vacuum, it would be interesting to know how much per hour they would trade those provisions for

I think because they have been in line with WN and legacy pay rates, so it’s assumed they will probably get comparable rates.

ok so they would get gains, but “MASSIVE” gains? Seems like they probably get % gains similar to ours. But things like our health insurance, RED/Green, Drop to zero have a cost associated with them. If they got Delta rates, better insurance, and ability to Drop to Zero, I agree that would be massive. (And I hope they do).

Those APC rates aren’t accurate. Their rates are higher.

Facts:
Compare the whole scale and our TA rates are anywhere from $0-17/hr more than B6. The top end Capt rate that you published has biggest divergence at $17/hr. Most longevity years are in the range of $5-10/hr. Not a huge difference. When you factor in 16% DC currently at B6, and $13/hr night overide currently at B6, and a clause for profit sharing we are pretty much even.

The only things under consideration in this limited negotiation are pay rates, per diem and profit sharing. From what I'm hearing, there's a very good chance an AIP is reached this week. Otherwise, we're in a contract dispute. 50-50 whether we see anything in PS but that bar was set by the NC so if they don't bring something back that includes a solid PS plan, it will be looked at as a failure. I'll be a no voter if there's no PS formula restructure.

Yup, I agree. I think “MASSIVE” gains is a bit subjective.

You're right. It's not $283, it's $283.11.

The A220 rates only reflect the -100, which JetBlue doesn’t operate. Everything else is correct.

you cant even vote.

^^^^THIS^^^^

B6 rate at $283/hr for 12yr CA was in-line or in some cases higher than legacy A320/A321 rates. Therefore on par or better than Delta AIP w/snap up could be assumed. If you average Delta current A319/A320 rate $274 and Delta A321 rate $286 = $280 - B6 rate for A320/321 is actually currently higher at $283 for common fleet rate.

The regionals found the money somewhere and so can we. Even if not they didn’t even include a different scale triggered by a return to profitability. That’s the only way at a minimum that you accept a below market deal when the company cry’s poor.

Not today Bendo!

Those pay raises were heavily, if not exclusively subsidized by the mainline partner(s). That’s not even a fair comparison tbh

Not for the contract carriers it wasn’t.

Today is the last day of negotiations for us. There is a P2P call tonight, and we should hopefully get some info before 10pm

if we do not have an AIP (today) we are in a contract dispute…..

Promise you, it was even for the contract carriers

Is that all your industry experience talking?

I'm sure the legacies are paying for a lot of that regional pilot pay, even if it's hidden in the form of higher fees being charged by the regional. Daddy American/Delta/United is paying for it either way.

Since this is my second set of negotiations in my career, I guess it is industry experience talking lol

Will this TA affect the “career expectations” clause in ALPA’s merger policy?


Will it help or hurt you in the SLI?

Hopefully this will change the dynamic at NK. I can already hear " we are not jetblue" talk.

Guy for real. I get your frustration but your argument is invalid. Like apples to…….hydraulic fluid. False equivalency.

Im sorry my friend but you need to review your intel. Jblue is wirhin 1% of legacy rates after the NEA 3% increase

JB TA reached at midnight