319s going away
 

Word is that the 319s are being taken off the cert, not parked but being sold

that’s too bad. I know they are “clapped out” as some people put it…but they were pretty sporty and fun to fly.

If you can't staff the entire fleet, might as well fly the biggest most efficient variants you've got? I assume that's the reason.

I'm sure F9 or even AA will buy em no problem.

You must be unfamiliar with F9s business plan

You are correct.

Ah in that case…we retired our last 319s this year and of the 226 orders we have 175 are 321s. There’s also the issue of our “ownership” of aircraft. Frontier doesn’t actually own any of their own aircraft and don’t forsee that happening tomorrow. Then of course there’s the whole newest/greenest fleet in America yada yada they keep pushing. Then staffing. We are technically fully staffed at the pilot position but just barely. The rest of the op could always use more people. All in all, unlikely F9 gets em.

Wouldn’t this mean the a321 override comes up :D

Better to park the ones that don’t have payments.

yes, plus the new 321 Neos coming.

DL likes to fly old equipment. Maybe they’ll take them. They still had DC-9s going until 2014.

This also makes sense in the context of the JB merger. I'm told by people I know there that JB has little interest in old 319s and that they'd be parked/sold anyway. The A220 is basically their 319. Although the 319 has better range and trasncon capability.

The 220 can do a transcon no problem, and seats 140 I believe. I could see the age of the 319 being an issue, vs a new 220. The fuel burn on the 220 is much better as well, which is why jb went with the platform. Interesting nonetheless

The A220 has full transcon range, if the company decides to pay Airbus for a max takeoff weight increase. So far they haven't done that, so it struggles in winter winds. But the jet is plenty capable, if you pay the money to unlock the long range capabilities.

Weird, I’ve noticed a couple 319s having WiFi lately. Figured they’d keep them around a while.

I have not heard from any official source of the A319’s going away. (Yes, I know it’s ironic for a convicted troll like me to be wanting a source of information)

I think the 319NEO could compete fairly well against the A220 when you consider the training and parts commonality issues. The elderly 319 CEOs not so much. But JetBlue already started down the road of the multi type fleet with the A220, so that decision has pretty much been made. I expect a lot of the NK Airbus orders will shuffle from 319NEOs to some other 320NEO variant if the merger goes through.

Yes, JB will not take a single A319, my prediction. They will most likely be A321s.

JB would have certainly done a full comparison/evaluation of the A319N vs the A220 when they bought them.

Why can’t you have both the “A”220 and A319 neo?

I mean look at all the legacy airlines they have both 737 and A320 variants. And we are getting larger to where we want to hang with the big boys and their size as well.

Almost nobody is buying 319NEOs. Delta, who has 319s, isn’t ordering any. They aren’t even ordering 320NEOs. For reference, there are 85 total orders for 319NEOs. 31 of those are about to get axed. There are about 700 A220-300 orders. After spirits 31 are converted to 321NEOs, it’ll be a much greater than 10:1 223:319N ratio. The 319N economics just aren’t there. For an airline that has both types, 220-300 will win every time. Basically the same capacity and capability for significantly less weight, fuel, and thus lower trip and operating cost. And when the 220-500 comes out, expect jetblue to take those over 320NEOs for the same capacity.

The one that pays $350 at DL?

Only today, we will be below that rate after our next “couple bites from the apple”.

Still do :D