Spirit contract negotiation history question
 

Please correct me if I'm wrong on my history but my understanding is that in 2018 Spirit management attempted to negotiate directly with the pilots by sending a summary of the offer directly to their homes.

This didn't work and the Spirit pilots ended up going on strike.

My question is: Was this worth it? How much was gained by holding out vs the pay lost those months that the pilots remained at the lower pay rates?

Thanks in advance

Yes, they sent the same Allegiant style packages to our house. Many of us “return to sender” the packages

No, we did not strike, we weren’t released for self help, weren’t even close. 2010 was when Spirit pilots were released to strike

We gained in just about every area with the CBA we got in 2018 vs what management offered us directly. But the moral of the story is your Union should speak for you. If they aren’t, there are steps. Management should never feel like they are able to circumvent the collective bargaining process. We have a union, management must go through them, and not this amateur hour crap.

Oh and there will be a few bitter ass Spirit pilots who voted No in 2018 and 2023 (30% minority) who will say we should have taken Bendos offer or something.

I don’t think there are any no voters that would argue we should have taken the deal on the mailer in 2018. That doesn’t even make any sense.

Thanks, there hasn't been a lot of pressure from pilots to vote on the offer, but it's good to hear how that shook out for Spirit, as it seems like a pretty identical negotiating strategy from Allegiant management.

That’s the point of the mailer. You can’t vote on it. Classic outdated union busting crap. Trust your union leadership. If they’re not sending you a deal to vote on in the form of a TA then it’s not worth ratifying. Best to just ignore it.

The only thing you should take from the mailer is using is as the bottom negotiating starting point from the company. They are already offering that above your current contract. They just raised the bar. Probably nowhere near high enough, but still, when the mediator comes and looks, they can’t offer less than the mailer.
And your union speaks for you, so no need to anything else than to send it unopened back to the company.

Yet we still have guys who post the following, thinking it was the same as we were sent.
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SWA management did something similar back in the day. Randy Babbitt, a former labor supporter, was hired at SWA as their new "Labor" guy, basically a labor buster. I remember he created a website which posted all of the CBAs of the organized group, SWA has a bunch, I think 7 or 8, and posted their contracts on the website. Clearly this was to cause problems amongst the groups; labor busting 101

Right… so why would they be in favor of the deal that they ended up voting no on if they seriously thought there were no changes made? If your point is that we have some uninformed voters of course. We also have Yes voters this time around who apparently thought our monthly guarantee changed to 78 hrs because that’s the average the union used to sell the TA.

SAME Rate…but keep on. 40 below industry, pathetic and embarrassing and still is.

cinco is a alpa cheerleader. Also, don’t forget 2018 TA when the company tried to sue alpa. Talk about selling the TA ! Two separate ordeals not one but you know what? I have faith in my union.

While technically they sent it "to the pilots," in reality they sent it "to the wives." They also published it for all employees to see. This helps sow discord among the gate agents, ramp, FAs, etc, who can all see just how "greedy" we all are to see the rates out of context. It's a very low blow.

Do you still have the mailer? I don’t but I sure as spit remember very little difference between that and the eventual TA. 22 hr duty day trigger was changed. For worse.

edit-Of course a TA 2018 no voter would’ve voted no to JBs “offer”. :rolleyes:

Honestly, does it matter? I can send a mailer to everyone in the C suite that I will take DL rates in exchange for waiving the commute policy. IF IT IS NOT THROUGH THE UNION IT MEANS $#!T.

Unless you’re on the NC that’s nowhere near a good rebuttal. It was presented as being the latest offer to the union. My question was what changed between then and the TA?

It was the highlights, not a TA. It meant nothing. Maybe the rates didn't change, but there's more to a CBA than 1 page of section 3. Look at what happened to line bidding and reserve. Not even mentioned in the mailer AFAIK. And no, it didn't get better with the CBA, but you can't take that mailer as anything but an insult to the process.

Real LTD. Anything presented was not worth the paper it was printed on without that key item.

Also, 401k DC overages after IRS max was met. Another biggie.