Congrats to our JetBlue brothers…
 

https://seekingalpha.com/news/3929528-jetblue-pilots-approve-contract-extension-including-unprecedented-pay-increases

Yes voters here , today, be proud!

Congrats discount airline pilot guy. You’ll understand in a year or so.

Voted “no” buddy but thanks! “Yes” voters representing the discount airline pilot with the low tier pay rates they voted yes on.

Looking forward to a $40/hr ish raise with the TPA….

You think you're getting a raise to JB's rates in the TPA? Man, you're going to be VERY disappointed when that agreement comes out with no rate increase.

That, and drop to zero and control of the grid goes away.

The union will sell it because if the merger fails, Spirit will die.

Thats what ALPA indirectly said.

Spirit TA was sold on the expectation that we will get economic symmetry in the TPA, not by voting no and going for TA 2.0. I expect that goal to be met.

I will say that BunkerF16 is not just saying what he said for just debating sake. There is a reason he can say that with surety. Just know that NK ALPA sold that part of the apple wrong.

Just like they sold this TA by saying Spirit has no money, this is the best we can get………

I'm sorry if that is how it was explained/sold to you. I will bet the chance NK gets B6 rates in the TPA is very low.

Low? LOL how about non existent .

I was trying to be a little more diplomatic. Lol.

The expectation is NOT for NK to achieve B6 rates in the TPA but for achieving a JCBA with economics and work rules we can all be proud of.

The TPA is really just the outline of the roadmap on how the airlines are going to merge into one operating entity. Rarely, if ever, does it include things like pay increases. Those will be ironed out in the JCBA. Here's the statement straight from ALPA.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qben5MLmtXo

#lowtier

Bunker did you not read my post?
I said achieving B6 rates in the TPA is NOT the expectation.
I know what the TPA is for.
Maybe you were just posting for the benefit of others.

Wasn't directed at you specifically and wasn't meant to argue vs your post.

haha your MEC lied to you

Would honestly like to know the benefit the NC has in lying to the pilot group?

There used to be silly rumors of “ACY is staying a base because of a special deal between one of the negotiators and management.”

I don’t think anyone is lying to your pilot group. I just think they’re over inflating the chances of getting the pay parity.

There are 4 entities in these negotiations: NK management. B6 management. NK MEC/NC. B6 MEC/NC. 3 out of the 4 would be against the pay parity. Never say never but the chances of getting B6 pay rates before the JCBA is, as I said before, very very low.

I agree 100%. I never expected any pay raise during the TPA.

So you're saying we don't get another bite at that juicy "apple"? Say it isn't so.

Sounds more like a bitter lemon.

Sorry. I don’t understand what’s to celebrate about coming in below the top bar that Delta set at $380/hr for the narrowbody Bus in their contract.

I’m SWA and if we come in at $360/hr. I’m gonna be P!$$ed!!!

SM actually specifically said in the web presentation that they’d push for it BUT there was no guarantee that we’d get it…

I voted no for several reasons but lets keep it factual. Our agreement is 18 months meant to bridge to JCBA negotiations. Delta isn't making $380 in a narrow body next year. I do agree that we should have been aiming to jump delta rates and not ride their coat tail.

Everyone you talk voted no, but yet it still passed. That's how TAs work.

This one had some.very vocal yes voters.

lmao if you think we are getting JB rates with the TPA I got some bad news for you bro...

Only thing SM needs to push us his a$$ off the NC

Approximately what percentage of the entire NK seniority list is based in Florida?

Approximately 42% are Florida based (FLL/MIA/MCO)

Thanks. How big is your overall list now? (I have no interest in Florida, wondered how much of the list WASN'T in Florida)

Thanks.

A little over 3,300. Too lazy to look at the actual number.

3,303 as of the latest seniority list. This also includes pilots in training.

Percentage at LAS?

There are 460 in LAS

Just out of curiosity, if what you were REALLY interested in was LAS, why did you ask about Florida to begin with? Asking for a friend…:p

Approximately 43%

I am not interested in LAS, but found Florida+LAS interesting. I'm a Midwest guy.