BWI - new base coming soon
 

Spreading rumors from inside sources*.

LAX next/being intently looked at.

Enjoy.



*Cousins brothers sisters step mother's ex husbands friend told me

Halon1211 can confirm all this is true!

Awesome. Maybe it’ll be filled with massive displacements again. Maybe out of FL?

Why a LAX base since JetBlue already has one?

How does JB having an LAX base help Spirit if we “need” and LAX base?

Did you guys have a BWI base long ago?

Rumors of new bases here at JB with DCA, ORD, SFO as the top contenders. BDL, TPA, LAS as the secondaries 😂

lol BWI and its 18 daily departures that used to be 48. That station was murdered by the genious network planning team and i cant help but draw a link between the company losing money and decisions like divesting in places like BWI. MIA is a dud. Everyone knows it. Cant even compete with Frontier out of MIA. And Myrtle has been slowly F'd by planning as well. Pretty much our dead center target customer base is people that vacation in MYR, and planning is just letting Southwest have it zero-to-hero style. Not my money being lost so whatever, but this management team is 100% deer in the headlights and totally checked out. Some of the decisions theyve made are so bad in hindsight that id hope it has to be for an ulterior motive, whether or not on the up and up. Not to be critical.

For what reasons would Spirit not be able to compete with F9 in MIA?

im not sure. But I can tell you prob for the same reason they are killing us in DFW. They seem to be taking all the routes we used to do.

F9 guy. I’m not sure but, F9 doesn’t seem to be “killing it” in Miami. No one really knows what’s going on with it.

I believe they say it’s a jumping off point for Deep South. Idk.

The whole thing is spirit avoided rebuilding bwi to its prior glory in order to make MIA work. The problem was going from zero flights to 31 cities and 50ish flight per day in an unproven market, and it turns out it was a really bad idea. While BWI market was rebounding, F9 was adding flights NK stopped doing and couldnt get back into due to attrition and MIA. Spirit finally figures out MIA operation was a loser, and no bread and butter to redeploy, cuz Frontier does it now. And the second spirit bailed on MIA intl routes, F9 jumped on it. And now F9 going after SJU. I think Spirit's network planners finally getting the hint the they are getting owned by F9 and are at least going to try and fight for SJU.

Because by the time it would take to get the base up and running, we would likely BE JB.

They can open a base with one bid. That’s like two months

F9 does 4 international destinations out of MIA, I wouldn't call that getting owned.

With the F9 merger did they get to take a really close look at our books? If so expect them to move into most of our lucrative markets right? I’m grumpy to see F-9 growing at dfw while we ran a displacement that made attrition worse.

At least we’re adding 6 cities back to Dfw.

what are the 6? I just know OAK, SJU, and SJC

It's not just MIA where F9 is poaching our old routes....Going from 12 intl routes to zero routes while Frontier goes from zero to 4 intl in one city while simultaneously losing multiple BWI routes and frequencies to F9 is relevant. We cant staff so they kill a sure thing to staff a mistake. That's why spirit doesn't make money. ACY-FLL historically 90% load 3 to 4 times daily, still only 1 a day, but opening ORF. Not opposed to new destinations, but would prefer restoring the network that made money first.

We don’t fly from mia anymore?

None international. All gone. Operation is now less than half of the launch size.

16 direct flights from MIA now, all domestic as you mentioned. This is a location they made a hub and a crew base.

21 direct flights from DFW now, domestic and international. This is a base they shrank and displaced.

Genius

How is it possible international didn’t succeed in MIA when it prints money in FLL

Remember, they are the ones with the BIG picture…. We see nothing.

JM sure hasn’t had many (any?) wins.

mia and fll serve the same market, so flying mia-south to routes we already fly fll-south doesnt add new passengers it dilutes the route

Ted, or one of his lackeys, had their excuse for this on the last investor call. Basically “our market is so strong in FLL, our passengers are wanting to fly from FLL vs MIA”

Which makes sense, it’s obvious, why do MIA when you can have easy FLL. So why did they attempt to make MIA something it isn’t?

Can’t say it enough, this management team is clueless and checked out

Supposedly the amount we pay for gates in MIA was increased dramatically and we couldn't swing it.

At the same time I'm counting about 30 flights a day at Newark, which is a highly disruption-prone airport, and would make perfect sense for a base.

Even more sense with the fact JBLU has already offered up our slots out of EWR, so perfect sense for our inept management to double down up there.

Can't speak for the other international routes out of MIA, but MDE was always nearly full when I would randomly check loads for nonrev travel (as was FLL).

I think it has more to do with airport user costs than anything.

Which is the exact reason they said they avoided MIA for years, fees. So how does MIA just raise fees to unsustainable levels for NK, a year in? Is there no “contract” or specified fees? Or did our management essentially dig in deep at an airport known for high fees, with an adjustable rate.

I was told AAmerican took them from us.

Speaking of anti-trust and monopolies…

My thought as well. Putting all this effort into the takeover company's bargaining chip. Not that i think a newark play is bad as a standalone, but for crews if and when ACY is shut down, there will be no room for us in ewr. Add 100 commuters to the list.

A Newark base would probably be larger than ACY; along the lines of ATL or IAH with 80-100 pilot crews. ACY is currentlly like 50.

I also think JB could wind up keeping most of the EWR slots, especially if they agree to dissolve the NEA. Under the premise that it would prevent more slots from going to UA, which is already an ultra-monopoly there.

I understand EWR to be very senior on the B6 side, and id guess someone like Breeze or Avelo gets the slots before they'd let B6 keep them.

05/23 junior captain is 01/16 hire, approximately 57%
05/23 junior FO is 06/22 hire

12/23 junior captain is 07/16 hire
12/23 junior FO is a new hire

Is that 57% in seat? Looks like EWR is a couple of years senior relative ACY based on that.

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