I wonder if you "moved" to a base, or happen to live or be from a place Spirit just happened to have a base?

Either way, we need this JCBA to work for everyone, not just the people who happen to be from or want to live in small number of yellow/blue bases.

I've worked under both variable RAPs (awarded in theory by seniority on a daily basis) and consistent RAPs awarded with the monthly schedule. I prefer the consistent ones (especially when we had line bidding and there was accountability for who was awarded what RAP per reserve line).

I think the only other area that I like NKs reserve work rules is that our LCR to SCR payout is at your hourly rate and not a flat rate, and we have fewer involuntary conversions....

Here are some things I’ve learned at Spirit that I wasn’t told before hand.

You can’t drop to zero when on reserve. Makes sense that they need the reserve coverage.

If your schedule is finalized for the month and you’re on reserve - your reserve days can get moved around and your schedule isn’t really final until 72 hours prior to that date. If you want it off you get 4 immovable days off per month at your request that have to be made ahead of time.

How much credit do you get for a LCR to SCR escalation?

I agree, LCR to SCR needs to pay real money, and should come with a hotel room for the escalation.

Elaborate , I haven’t read one thing that’s better and you can be reassigned as a line holder without consequence? You’re peeing up the wrong tree friend.

Exactly! Horrible.

1 hour of pay for each of the first 4 conversions (our max involuntary), 2 hours for every subsequent conversion (voluntary). The comparison guide said you guys get a flat $100, is that accurate??

Unfortunately yes, which is completely unacceptable.

Even one hour is not nearly enough, but better than our $100. Just for perspective, we've only ever had ONE full CBA negotiations. So there are definitely many things that need to be cleaned up. But we also have some good stuff.

This is not at all accurate

Commuted 7 years at a regional bc I have a family member that has commuted 35+ years and thinks it’s “no big deal”. Wrong!

I moved to a spirit base and it changed my life. While there are other places that are not bases that I’d rather live the ROI on earnings and overall QOL would be negative. I bid rsv often along with lines.

This is how in person jobs work. You move to where the job is. The beauty of this job is you actually get more than several choices for the same job at the same company.

At a normal job if your position no longer exists at your home you can either move or leave the company. This “ability” to commute is a complete farce and a curse for pilots.

There are very few things that would cost the company much money when it comes to helping commuters out so I’m not against them. It’s just that aside from being home based and paid commutes there isn’t very much that will dramatically change life for commuters. It’s like the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. Commuters are always chasing something that doesn’t exist. The commute is all they think about. Meanwhile they’re always grumpy and always tired.

I stand corrected. Union email is out. This is the kind of total trash that is peppered throughout our CBA that was never utilized by spirit bc they never really knew how so we never changed it. Add RAP shift to that list. Spirits ULCC staffing in HQ always created inefficiencies that almost always cost more money than they saved on payroll in support roles at HQ. Looks like they are starting to have their cake and eat it too. This change is also going to have an affect on the amount of premium pay events generated from lack of rsv availability. Well I guess I’m never bidding rsv again.

from Union email -

"The Company has recently started using movable days off for pilots on reserve. While this action marks a significant change in management behavior, the contract is clear in terms of how this process works (CBA Section 25.K.5.m.4). For example, Crew Scheduling can add reserve days up to 72 hours before the movable day off. So, if the pilot has days of reserve from the 1st through the 4th of the month, the Company can add a day on the 5th if they notify the pilot no later than 0001 on the 2nd."

Which part exactly, is inaccurate?

reference post #52 chief

Sounds like the JB crew scheduling team has entered the building in FLL. They will bend, twist, break every line of language that they can.

All the tricks come out of the bag when it is a peak holiday period or critical staffing. Then everyone raises a stink, the company recedes before there’s enough energy to file a grievance, then repeat process in a few months when they get desperate again.

I'm almost the opposite, lived in base several years for my regional, been commuting to Blue for a long time. I've lived both, and understand the difference. Still, many of us (I think around 50% of JB) chose to live where we want and commute. You are free to have your opinions, as we all are. Still, commuting is a reality of this industry, and we need this JCBA to work for all of us... And many are one base-closure away from being commuters again, because not everyone is gonna uproot the whole family every time this industry shifts again. Spirit has more than one base hanging in the balance, hopefully it doesn't come to that, but yet it is true. You live in one of Spirit's CORE safe bases? Good for you, and I'm glad. Don't assume everyone will or should make your life choices.

While I have my tired moments, I am FAR from unhappy. Quite the contrary to be honest, have most of life by-the-balls these days. Even still, I think you could guess the one thing I would change without ruining a bunch of other things, if I could.

The ability to step away from the Spirit forum?

This is how the entire working population lives. Companies relocate all the time or you have to move for a promotion etc. People uproot their families everyday to move for a job. You act as if this is abnormal.

Nope. Sorry about your luck.

Um yeah, I don't know how to tell you this but being a pilot isn't "just any old job". We don't HAVE to move and give it take in the ballpark of half of your peers chose to live somewhere other than an airline hub, or a city where their airline doesn't base pilots.

Comparing our careers in the way you are reminds me of the pilots who are happy with industry trailing pay and benefits because "I still make more than all my neighbors and friends outside aviation"...

Be better my friend.
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Welcome to the mind of NK pilots

Aint that the truth!

Maybe some NTAC can have AI write a poem about it.

I got you.

In the heavens where trade winds blow, Spirit pilots choose a different flow.

Dollars may dance in pockets tight, Yet to toil less becomes their delight.

For every hour spent earning gold, They crave a life not bound, but bold.

In the skies, they barter with the stars, Exchanging currency for miata cars.

With pockets lean and bank accounts slight, They navigate the budget airline plight.

So we scoff at wallets that seem thin, For in leisure's embrace, they find their win.

In the trade of hours for pockets deep, They soar above where paychecks sleep.

A crafty exchange, a Machiavellian play, To work less and live more, to me is pretty gay.

Yet, you continue to post nonsensical dribble like you know what you are talking about and you don't even understand basic facts about your own contract...

“Mama say the alligators are so ornery because they got all them teeth”

Let’s clear this up right now. I am of the mind and always have been that we should not only make compensation on par with our legacy peers but more bc we do not have widebodies but carry 235 pax on a narrowbody and we also do the same job with much less support. I don’t give two ****s what my neighbor makes.

and commuting is dumb.

Glad we cleared that up. I'll be sure and check with you before I make any big life decisions.

Dont forget NK will shut its door if the merger does not go through.

doubtful - if you can see the future that well, I need next weeks winning lotto numbers pls.

He is being facetious; Noisecanceller has a tendency to view things with an overly negative eye.

ahhhhhhh I just noticed it was a reply to noisecanceller. Makes total sense now. Carry on 😂

=D

Filler

Yeah, he’s the only one with this POV.