To stay or Go
 

Well, the Department of Justice got their way and the merger is blocked. Who knows if Jetblue will even appeal or if we will even win an appeal.


where do spirit pilots go from here knowing that our company is in poor shape?

are you staying or leaving and why?

Should have left from the start of this fiasco

The bonuses at the regionals will likely be going away in the next 6 months. The legacies are already slowing hiring with age 67, the slowing of airplane deliveries (Boeing sucks), and a backlog of new hires from 2023. Combine that with the 1500 hour rule likely getting dropped to 1000 hours, there will be plenty of applicants for the regionals.

Jumping to a regional now and taking the huge bonus while they are still offered, and applying like crazy to the legacies might be a really intelligent move. If the legacies don't work out, you still have the regional bonuses and good pay for a while. If you do get called to a legacy, then just pay that bonus back.

Spirit will probably not be around too much longer.

hey, at least we now go straight back in the contract negotiations!

Is this a good time to ask for parity with Delta pay rates?

Now, what about profit-sharing? I definitely want that greedy Spirit Airlines to give me a portion of their profit.

1500 isn't going anywhere. At most they're going to allow more sim time to count to the 1500 for issuance of ATP.

Regionals as it stands are not strapped for 1500 hour FO apps. They are flooded with them... They need captains. It will be another 3 or 5 years before regional hiring/staffing gets where they want it to be. Even if Age 67 passes tomorrow, it only delays the inevitable legacy hiring trends.. The regionals will be lean on captains for quite some time, only expect marginal improvement the next few years.

Age 67, combined with a temporary slow down in hiring at the legacies and majors, will more than take care of the lack of captains at the regionals. Right now, every minute, hundreds of regional FOs are flying and building their time.

The days of the regional FOs getting hired at the majors and legacies are quickly ending. The regional captain shortage is short lived and will be gone soon enough.

In a couple of years.

Unfortunately for me, I'm wearing Golden Handcuffs and pretty much have to stay.

I know most of what I post is negative, but it's simply my view of the industry after over 2 decades in it.

I hope I'm wrong about everything I post.

99% of what pilots post is total bias BS that fits their agenda. It should've always been F9 and we wouldn't even be having this dumbass conversation. Jetblue was ****ing in the wind from the beginning and very few would've actually left had that merger been with Frontier. As we all know though pilots like to talk tough but the reality is few are actually tough enough to follow through. There will be alot of scared kitten talk over the next few days then life will return to normal, maybe we'll even get lucky this year and merge with Frontier.

The real truth is that money talks...

The big airlines didn't want this merger to happen. With a few phoine calls and large political donations, the big boys are able to squash things like this. It was never going to happen.

United is going to put us out of business. They’ve said it even. Their growth plan is pretty massive and if even a small portion of the seats are “basic” it’ll be enough to kills us

"Throughout the initial bid and the trial, JetBlue argued that by absorbing Spirit, it could double its size and compete more effectively with the four major U.S. airlines — American Airlines, Delta Air Lines, Southwest Airlines and United Airlines — that together control about 80% of the U.S. air travel market."

The Legacy Airlines were never going to allow this.

The big guys have committed to spend more than $18million in lobbying in 2024 according to public records. Guess where this money is going...

stayin
 

I'M NOT ****IN' LEAVING!!!

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With the latest news about AA "considering" the merger of their regionals, that PSA offer would look really good right now, especially if you have the crj type and even better if living in one of their bases. Even still, Envoy is offering some great stuff as well. If I was still at NK that is probably the route I would be at least considering right now. Best of luck. Who really knows though, F9 could be licking their lips to try and buy you again.

see ya buddy

there is zero proof the company is actually considering this. APA even admitted it.

Leave Spirit to go to PSA or Envoy? Thats more out of touch that FedEx management suggesting their junior pilots leave for PSA. Why would someone leave a major with an up in the air future to a family of regionals with up in the air futures? AA is still hiring along with Delta and United. There's plenty of good options for Spirit pilots to go to without having to go to one of the AA Wholly owned. Spirit pilots have some of the best QOL in the industry, and AA wholly Owneds have some of the worst.

Denver Air Connection is hiring

This. DTZ and the grid rules remain, so a good portion of guys (and gals) felt relief today. The ride on this wild wave continues...

This is a calculated distraction to try an slow attrition from the WO's to the LCC's, United, and Delta. American will spin off the WOs before they allow them to merge.

Spirit pilots have some of the best QOL in the industry...exactly. Pretty soon, NK will get 365 days a year off.

It will take a while to get sorted out. There’s a home for every Spirit pilot at legacies and LCCs. No need to go to a regional.

It wasn’t going anywhere and they stand a greater chance of losing them now than with the merger. You sound retarded

don’t be an A$$

Nah hes out of line but hes right.

Thank god spirit got a bite of the apple🍎🍏
 

What a horrible offer the spirit pilots agreed to, with no raise anytime soon. Nothing will be done fast to raise wages because Jet Blue might appeal......or Spirit cries cash poor and gives no raises or even forces pay cuts. Gotta love the job Spirit did In pulling one over on the pilots who voted yes. Schedule at spirit is nice, but $50 k to $100 k a year for doing the exact same thing is far better. Low, crappy pay is where Spirit stays,....... But just remember you got a bite of the apple😁😂😭😂😆🤣🤮🤮😵😡😡🍏🍎🍏🍎🍏🍎🍏🍎🍏🍎🍏🍎🍏🍎🍏🍎🍏🍎🍏🍎🍏🍊🍋🍋🍆🍆🍆

why don’t you just go to United and be awarded CA on day 2??

This. The govt bloat and control has been exponentially increasing. They really want the legacies to control. If I had to guess, somewhere a group wants a return to the legacy only market and to get rid of deregulation.

Age 67 isn't going to happen anytime soon.

Spirit may not make it through the recession which we are due. There won't be any movement in seniority or salary.

I've survived a the Great Recession, downgrade, contract concession in bankruptcy, another bankruptcy, furlough, and age 65. I started over at 58. I'm upgrading this week, after 2 years, in my home base. You don't want to be on the street when no one is hiring.

On day 1... Went pretty junior (EWR, DEN, SFO 737) and looks like that's there to stay for at least few months.

But honestly, I (like almost everyone else) was shocked with the judgment. Thought it was a done deal and NK group would be able to keep DTZ and the best QOL.
I enjoyed DTZ before leaving for UA. Although no DTZ, there are many other aspects that make QOL very good (once you learn all the little tricks of the 650 page contract 😬). Not sure how defending DTZ while the company financials are tanking will affect the future negotiations.

I really feel for the NK group. You're in a tough position now during one of the best times in the industry 😔.
For those who are considering UA, you can message me if you have any questions...

​​​​​​Good luck to those staying and those considering leaving.

What is DTZ?

It’s the same thing as DTF, we just don’t want to say that when the flight attendants are around.

This literally made me LOL. Kudos and thanks.

Wondering what this poll would look like pre-merger decision on the assumption we got approved.

Total 180. The merger was keeping hope alive. Now that it's shot down there is no path.

ok, maybe i am leaving... :'(