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Originally Posted by The Juice
(Post 1810970)
The main reason why the company wants this LOA is because pilots will have to do their DL on their off time, not on company time.
144 aircraft by 2021, say 2500 pilots. 2 days of DL not on duty vs 2 days of DL in a crew room, on duty, is 5000 days a year of lost productivity from your workforce where we are not moving planes and someone needs to move those planes. Say the average pilot works 180 days of duty a year 5000/180= 28 pilots a year. So my math shows they need 28 pilots less a year just on savings for us doing it off the clock. This is a minimum, doesn't account for any conflict drops of any kind. 28 pilots will be 1st year FO pay pilots. Even on guarantee thats a million a year in savings just on wages, not counting healthcare, social security taxes, training, etc. |
Originally Posted by dudeskibro
(Post 1811233)
Lolololololol. You must be new here. This company cares about one thing: money for executives. They do everything they can to rip off its employees and customers. They have no interest in negotiating with labor in good faith. They will drag out C2015 for years and this Union with grow tired and intimidate this pilot group into accepting a marginal TA.
Now, I'll grant you the executives in this company are major shareholders, so in a small roundabout way, they are looking to make profits for themselves, but to just unilaterally say theyre in it solely for themselves is a little short sighted. That being said, the last time Spirit pilots went on strike, Spirit was a privately held company, that's not the case now. Spirit executives will be beholden to the shareholders and if you think shareholders and by proxy Wall Street analysts will stand for protracted labor negotiations, you're wrong. I'm not saying it'll be quick negotiations, and initially it'll seem like a good idea, but Wall Street likes stability and protracted negotiations with its most visible labor group is not stability. |
Originally Posted by onalandline
(Post 1811214)
What is wrong with the company saving money by making training more efficient? The company does not "owe" us because they are saving money. That is their right. They "owe" us because we are the professionals that we are, and they are making industry-leading profits. We will get paid 5 hours per day, have to go to training just once per GS/PT/PC cycle, and not have to lug around Jeps and do revisions. They could just make us do 8 hours of home study right now for 4 hours per day pay per the contract. If we want something for this, do so at the upcoming contract negotiations. Just my $0.02.
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Originally Posted by Lobaeux
(Post 1811256)
You're just plain wrong. This company cares about making money for one thing: shareholders. JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER COMPANY! Spirit is just like every other company out there, to make a profit, otherwise it'd be a..... ding, ding, ding, non-profit organization. (Except the NFL, and other like organizations that are actually for profit but somehow have managed to lobby for non-profit status)
Now, I'll grant you the executives in this company are major shareholders, so in a small roundabout way, they are looking to make profits for themselves, but to just unilaterally say theyre in it solely for themselves is a little short sighted. That being said, the last time Spirit pilots went on strike, Spirit was a privately held company, that's not the case now. Spirit executives will be beholden to the shareholders and if you think shareholders and by proxy Wall Street analysts will stand for protracted labor negotiations, you're wrong. I'm not saying it'll be quick negotiations, and initially it'll seem like a good idea, but Wall Street likes stability and protracted negotiations with its most visible labor group is not stability. Please tell me more about the time I was on a picket line at Spirit Airlines! Shutting down Spirit Airlines for 5 days in 2010 was the only way management signed a contract. Would Wall Street really hate to see drawn out labor negotiations? The flight attendants have been negotiating fruitlessly since 2007! Our stock has never been stronger. The company just fired all gate agents that work for us besides FLL so they wouldn't unionize. Spirit treats the "face" of the airline terribly, and things couldn't be better. We, as pilots, aren't viewed any differently by management than the flight attendants or gate agents in that we are just labor. A cog in the machine. There are thousands of eager dudes at 9E and other similar fine organizations willing to come here because it's so much better than where they are. We can all be replaced if we don't like being here. Wall Street doesn't care if you or I have a contract or we are happy. As long as margins and earnings are strong, that's all that matters. This LOA is a barometer to see what a bunch of pushovers this pilot group is for C2015. Let's send a message we aren't. What I want you to take away from this: we are worth much much more than what we're compensated. We are tremendously experienced, and work hard for this company. Agreeing to a concessionary LOA is the absolute last thing we should be doing. |
What are the chances I'm canceled in BOS early Tuesday AM. Supposed to get like 12"+. FML
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Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs
(Post 1811287)
What are the chances I'm canceled in BOS early Tuesday AM. Supposed to get like 12"+. FML
Nope Think it was 3 winters ago. Maybe 4. EVERY airline in the world cancelled their flights to NY. Well all of except one. We went in. It was a ghost town. Still had to wait an hour for a gate. Was kinda creepy. Only like 5 or 10 peeps on jet. Guess what flight ran. Thought your flight was cancelled? Nope you missed it but you can buy another ticket. The NK way. Be careful heading up there Tues. |
Originally Posted by IWalkJun12
(Post 1811292)
Nope
Think it was 3 winters ago. Maybe 4. EVERY airline in the world cancelled their flights to NY. Well all of except one. We went in. It was a ghost town. Still had to wait an hour for a gate. Was kinda creepy. Only like 5 or 10 peeps on jet. Guess what flight ran. Thought your flight was cancelled? Nope you missed it but you can buy another ticket. The NK way. Be careful heading up there Tues. |
Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs
(Post 1811146)
I hope you're joking. What kind of fng tool would still wear the gold bars?
The FO who flew las-bwi over night. I almost said something but didn't feel like getting my blood pressure up. Makes us all look bad. What an ass |
Originally Posted by gonyon
(Post 1811309)
The FO who flew las-bwi over night. I almost said something but didn't feel like getting my blood pressure up. Makes us all look bad. What an ass
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Originally Posted by Lemonade
(Post 1810945)
And yes...most iPads come with a sim card for data. Yes, it costs more for that version but the corporate data plans are dirt cheap. The other airlines use them. Try doing an update on your screaming home WIFI when you are in the middle of a 6 day commute/trip and a fed is going along for the ride. Get real. As far as all the DL stuff, good luck. Sounds to me like NK is trying to buy a big deal for not much. |
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