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bubi352 02-22-2009 01:49 PM

Thanks guys. This is what I thought but with everything the company has done so far I was expecting to see more of the same. I can't wait to see this unfold. :D

skybolt 02-22-2009 08:23 PM


Originally Posted by captscott26 (Post 564849)
We will not agree to such a contract, and the company is now coming to the end of their little game....the mediator is fed up with the company, and the NMB is now in the unions favor.



Mediators mediate. Mediators do not dicate, if they did they would be called dictators.

The mediator has failed if the negotiations break down. What makes you think that the mediator has any interest in anything other than perpetuating the NMB bureaucracy?

Mediators tell each side what that side want's to hear.

Don't be so gullible.


Yes, the NMB is in, or will soon be in labors favor. So I have to ask why we would want to ask for a release at the time when we might be able to use the newly labor friendly system board arbitrators to our advantage in the arbitration process.

The biggest reason most Spirit pilots are mad is that the company is running roughshod over the current contract. Once Obama changes the makeup of the NMB, we will be able to stop them from running over our contract. That will give us the true advantage, and advantage that we should be able to take to the bank.

BoredwLife 02-22-2009 09:15 PM


Originally Posted by skybolt (Post 565134)
Once Obama changes the makeup of the NMB, we will be able to stop them from running over our contract. That will give us the true advantage, and advantage that we should be able to take to the bank.


I expect that to happen sometime around year 3...





IN HIS SECOND TERM!!!!:eek: Don't hold your breath for anything to change.

flyingtigermco 02-23-2009 06:43 AM

I would agree with Bored. I'm sure that is about number 239 on his list of top 10 priorities.

Sailor 02-23-2009 08:36 AM

We have turned into a nation of official DOOM and GLOOM...I love IT:D:D:D

Balder 02-24-2009 04:56 PM


Originally Posted by skybolt (Post 565134)
Mediators mediate. Mediators do not dicate, if they did they would be called dictators.

The mediator has failed if the negotiations break down. What makes you think that the mediator has any interest in anything other than perpetuating the NMB bureaucracy?

Mediators tell each side what that side want's to hear.

Don't be so gullible.


Yes, the NMB is in, or will soon be in labors favor. So I have to ask why we would want to ask for a release at the time when we might be able to use the newly labor friendly system board arbitrators to our advantage in the arbitration process.

The biggest reason most Spirit pilots are mad is that the company is running roughshod over the current contract. Once Obama changes the makeup of the NMB, we will be able to stop them from running over our contract. That will give us the true advantage, and advantage that we should be able to take to the bank.

Skybolt, I thing you are contradicting yourself somewhat. Correct, the mediator cannot dictate much, the makeup of the NMB is irrelevant.
Our true advantage will be our own fortitude. Do we have the smarts and the guts to stand together to take this down to the wire? Can we put our petty differences a side?
It's up to us...

Sailor 02-25-2009 08:35 AM

4-5 days off won by pilots, now the waiting game for the amount of crews needed to cover the flying, some say 12 more pilots, I guess we will have to wait and see.
It'll be interesting to know when will this take effect, my guess is for APR flying. Since MAR lines are done.

Never the less, good news are always welcome.

captscott26 02-25-2009 08:48 AM


Originally Posted by Sailor (Post 566837)
4-5 days off won by pilots, now the waiting game for the amount of crews needed to cover the flying, some say 12 more pilots, I guess we will have to wait and see.
It'll be interesting to know when will this take effect, my guess is for APR flying. Since MAR lines are done.

Never the less, good news are always welcome.

Is it official, I haven't seen anything in writing yet.

BoredwLife 02-25-2009 09:00 AM

It is being reported as official on the spirit pilot board.

captscott26 02-25-2009 09:09 AM

Oh, well that does it......it MUST be true!!! :)

...jk, I hope it results in some recalls!


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