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10-03-2015, 04:04 PM
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I'm not continuing a blissfully ignorant journey. But, I ask again, if the only improvements to a TA are in scope and LTD, are you going to vote yes or no? Scope and LTD are important, don't think I believe they can be tossed aside. But, if scope and ltd stayed the same in this next contract, it's not an automatic no vote from me, we've done just fine over the last five years with things as they are scope wise. I understand that could change, I understand that management COULD change things, but so far that hasn't happened. Im not gonna stand for saying my head is in the sand either, I know what could happen. But, I am saying a change to PBS or a loss of our four day's off would generate an automatic NO! Transition conflict, as long as it doesn't violate the four day off rule, I'll await judgement to see what is offered.
10-03-2015, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by putzin
Again, SPOT ON!
10-03-2015, 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
I've said before without massive improvements in both scope and ltd I will vote no. Period.
10-03-2015, 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Rainbows
So, if the only improvements to this contract are to scope and ltd you're a yes vote? The two of you putzin and quatsopilot. That's what you guys seem to be saying.
Speaking for me, unless the contract is the whole package, then my vote is NO. My package includes improvements to Scope, LTD, pay and retirement. That's my "line" in the sand.
Focused or not......
10-03-2015, 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by putzin
Maybe I misunderstood your previous posts??
Speaking for me, unless the contract is the whole package, then my vote is NO. My package includes improvements to Scope, LTD, pay and retirement. That's my "line" in the sand.
Focused or not......
Speaking for me, unless the contract is the whole package, then my vote is NO. My package includes improvements to Scope, LTD, pay and retirement. That's my "line" in the sand.
Focused or not......
10-03-2015, 05:10 PM
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I'm not saying I'm voting yes if only scope and ltd are improved. I'm saying that if they aren't I don't care what the rest of the contract says because I will vote no.
10-03-2015, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
I'm not saying I'm voting yes if only scope and ltd are improved. I'm saying that if they aren't I don't care what the rest of the contract says because I will vote no.
10-03-2015, 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Rainbows
SWA isn't quite the same as all the other majors, you should know that. I wouldn't want any part of SWA, if I did, I'd apply there. Even so, you're right about the contract studying part. The union sent out a comparison if you remember. Scope? Important, but no more important than anything else. Delta, United, American, even JetBlue, have given up some form of scope, their pilots are still employed and are well paid. I'm NOT advocating giving up scope. Far from it. And LTD, important, yes, but it DOESNT affect every single pilot like pay, retirement, and our important qol rules do. I ain't saying LTD doesn't need improvement, but no improvement to scope or LTD isn't going to necessarily make me vote no, no improvement to pay & retirment or loss of our qol rules will. Think about it, if the only improvements to our next contract was scope and LTD would you vote yes? I doubt it. Vote NO? I bet you would. If the only changes to the contract were in pay & retirement, everything else remaining the same, what would your vote be?
10-05-2015, 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs
Im willing to bet SWA guys probably average somewhere around 4 days off between pairings, and I doubt they have back to back 3-days, or a 4-day, followed by a 2-day. They also have some pretty rock solid trip rigs......................................and their hourly rate is significantly higher than ours.
I hit conflicts every month, and im the first one to say sell it, it requires sacrificing the entire month. Take the "cost" and put it into the rates or something that benefits all of us
I hit conflicts every month, and im the first one to say sell it, it requires sacrificing the entire month. Take the "cost" and put it into the rates or something that benefits all of us
10-05-2015, 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs
Im willing to bet SWA guys probably average somewhere around 4 days off between pairings, and I doubt they have back to back 3-days, or a 4-day, followed by a 2-day. They also have some pretty rock solid trip rigs......................................and their hourly rate is significantly higher than ours.
I hit conflicts every month, and im the first one to say sell it, it requires sacrificing the entire month. Take the "cost" and put it into the rates or something that benefits all of us
I hit conflicts every month, and im the first one to say sell it, it requires sacrificing the entire month. Take the "cost" and put it into the rates or something that benefits all of us
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