Originally Posted by woutlaw
(Post 1441261)
Not exactly on topic but purely out of curiosity, is it just the fighter guys who tend to not accumulate a ton of hours or does that affect the transport guys as well?
I'd always assumed your C-130/C-17 etc... drivers flew a metric ton of hours every year, even with the whole only logging actual time the thing was in the air thing. The 4000TT mark is a hurdle even guys retiring at 20 will have a hard time clearing, especially in the fighter world. |
Originally Posted by Grumble
(Post 1441302)
At the 10 year mark, about the time you have the first opportunity to get out most fighter guys will have probably 1500TT with about 1200 or so of that in their primary platform. Heavy guys probably 2200TT. Obviously results will vary from platform, branch of service, deployments, but those numbers are also coming down, rapidly.
The 4000TT mark is a hurdle even guys retiring at 20 will have a hard time clearing, especially in the fighter world. |
Originally Posted by woutlaw
(Post 1441261)
Not exactly on topic but purely out of curiosity, is it just the fighter guys who tend to not accumulate a ton of hours or does that affect the transport guys as well?
I'd always assumed your C-130/C-17 etc... drivers flew a metric ton of hours every year, even with the whole only logging actual time the thing was in the air thing. From there it's basically local flying. 1.5 here... 2.0 there... The combat sorties rack up, but the hours don't. |
And, remember in the USAF, flying is your secondary job, although that's not the Company line. In most units, mine for example, copilots would get to fly maybe twice, three times a month at most. With sequestration, training flights were being cut dramatically and the simulator was being touted as the way of the future. Deploying changed that, you're flying every other day or every third day, but most flight times are around 3-4 hours a day at most, unless you're doing an airdrop only day then it's about 2 hours of flying.
Secondly, military times are counted from liftoff to touchdown. Most guys add five minutes for taxi time, but that's about it. In the -130, especially in a deployed situation, a lot of time on the ground was spent with engines running, time in the civilian environment that would be counted. Doesn't make much of a difference, about 300-400 hours at most over a career. Later in one's career, or usually at least once, you get a non-flying job. These can range to 179 days deployed (mine was around 165 days, but I had two of them in my career) or a 365 day, not to mention some that get a three year non-flying assignment. That hurts. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the assumption the high min hours was due to insurance requirements. If that's just folklore, then I'll consider myself corrected. Delta, United, FedEx and others can publish low minimums and know they can weed out later, and are confident that prospective Captains will have thousands more hours within the company if they're hired with low times. I don't believe Spirit or Virgin America have that luxury. Just my opinion, but I'd guess as hiring continues, the published minimums will go a little lower. For the military guys, I think we'll see the number of hours they come to the party with will be lower still. I'm guessing guys entering UPT today will really struggle for cockpit time and will barely have ATP mins by the time their 10 year commitment is up. I hope I'm wrong. |
Don't forget ATP mins for miltary guys is soon to be 750 hours.
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Originally Posted by cni187
(Post 1441307)
I had 4000TT as a heavy guy in AF after 10 years. 3 years were spent flying a Lear 35, and 6 years on the C-5. 11 months were spent deployed to the sandbox.
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Originally Posted by Elcid93
(Post 1441361)
Don't forget ATP mins for miltary guys is soon to be 750 hours.
Getting a RPA assignment, a 179 non-flying TDY and an increased reliance on simulators might make it tough to accrue a whole lot more. I really think I retired right at the right time! :eek: |
Originally Posted by Lobaeux
(Post 1441357)
a lot of time on the ground was spent with engines running, time in the civilian environment that would be counted.
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Originally Posted by Avgwhitemale
(Post 1441085)
Absolutely agree with your example. I am a Military guy. When I left AD I had around 4300 hours with tons of hours being shot at over Afghanistan and Iraq. I consider myself extremely lucky to have gotten hired by a Legacy carrier but the interview team was clear when they explained what and who they were working for. IMHO companies like Spirit and VA can drag in guys with crazy hour requirements but Legacy carriers would rather bring in qualified guys who you can actually live with over a four or five day trip.:D
If you don't know already, delta pilots have that reputation and you are feeding that bad stereotype because there are in fact great guys there. Although, i have sat on more than a few DAL jumpseats where all i heard for three hours was sortie this and squadron that. I know you guys must have hobbies and families right? |
Originally Posted by Avgwhitemale
(Post 1441085)
...but Legacy carriers would rather bring in qualified guys who you can actually live with over a four or five day trip.:D
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