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Old 05-18-2017, 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Beans View Post
The 10-15% loss I was refering to was what the work rule loss will cost in regards to an hourly rate. Of course Spirit is going to get a raise I have said that multiple times. Let me simplify it for you so you understand. Spirit is going to get the hourly rates at Allegiant plus 3%. This will be at the loss of a lot of the work rules. You dont belive me then stick around at Spirit and find out.
Give up our workrules to be the second lowest paid major airline pilots for the next 7-10 years, what are you smoking?
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Old 05-18-2017, 09:19 PM
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Money you can always get back, once you give up a work rule you're never see it again! Ask any NWA/DAL guys. They've given up a lot and it's never coming back! I will never vote for giving up the control we have over our lives for $$.
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Old 05-18-2017, 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Beans View Post
Spirit is going to get the hourly rates at Allegiant plus 3%. This will be at the loss of a lot of the work rules. You dont belive me then stick around at Spirit and find out.
LOL...

I kinda wonder if this dude is even smart enough to be a part of management. I'm sure even management knows this isn't true. They may wish that could be but anyone with any kind of brains should be able to figure out that would never fly here. Pun intended.
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Old 05-19-2017, 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by FreeSmiles View Post
Allegiants contract would never even make it to a vote, in fact the NC published Spirit's offer 18 months ago that looked slightly better than what Allegiant eventually signed. If you have no dog in this fight, then go away. If you do work at another airline, help us bring up the basement and better this industry. Pilots are running short, and airlines that cannot attract quality pilots with fail. I do not want Spirit to be one of them.
I don't understand why you guys keep throwing rocks at our contract. For our first contract, it was a quantum leap. Oh, and our compensation package is currently way above any of the ULCCs. In fact, it was better then Southwest until they got their most recent deal.

I'm not saying you should take our deal. You should use it as a starting point. But don't sit here and say our contract sucks. It doesn't, and we went to the brink (like you are now) to get it.
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Old 05-19-2017, 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by ecam View Post
I don't understand why you guys keep throwing rocks at our contract. For our first contract, it was a quantum leap. Oh, and our compensation package is currently way above any of the ULCCs. In fact, it was better then Southwest until they got their most recent deal.

I'm not saying you should take our deal. You should use it as a starting point. But don't sit here and say our contract sucks. It doesn't, and we went to the brink (like you are now) to get it.
Considering where you guys were, yes it is better. But when you consider JetBlue is already ahead of your rates, (negotiating their first as well)... There is not a single pilot at Spirit who would even entertain those rates here. Especially with the concessions in our work rules being talked about. Supply and demand is clearly on the side of pilot labor, for the first time in decades and it is now in the best interest of both the pilots at Spirit, and the shareholders of this very profitable company to bring pilot wages back to where they need to be to sustain the profession. Allegiant rates aren't even close.
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Old 05-19-2017, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by ecam View Post
I don't understand why you guys keep throwing rocks at our contract. For our first contract, it was a quantum leap. Oh, and our compensation package is currently way above any of the ULCCs. In fact, it was better then Southwest until they got their most recent deal.

I'm not saying you should take our deal. You should use it as a starting point. But don't sit here and say our contract sucks. It doesn't, and we went to the brink (like you are now) to get it.
Spirits contract was better than every other airlines' when it was voted on in 2010 except Southwest (top out pay at least). I think USair was topping out at like $125 on the airbus.

Allegiant's contract was pretty good when you voted it in, but today it would never pass at spirit. I think it would have passed back then tho. The bar has been raised multiple times since then and it would be unacceptable to even send out a TA for a vote that mirrors Allegiant rates.
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Old 05-19-2017, 10:00 AM
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Oh and when you say "best of any ULCC", you need to knock that crap off. You are a professional pilot and that has nothing to do with the business model of the company you work for. You do the same job as any other pilot that flies the same plane you do. At Spirit our main competition is not allegiant or Frontier. It is united, delta, American, Southwest, JetBlue, etc. That is who I compare my pay to.
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Old 05-19-2017, 10:03 AM
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So back to pilot hiring at Spirit......

I received the online personality assessment a couple days ago. Any idea how long it might be till I get an interview invite if I "passed" the assessment?

Thanks!
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Old 05-19-2017, 11:26 AM
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Does spirit make you sign a training contract?
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Old 05-19-2017, 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by DIEGO View Post
Does spirit make you sign a training contract?
No they do not.
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